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Old 05-25-2012, 09:31 AM   #1
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TWS (Texas World Speedway) Turn 1 question

For the guys that are running sub 2:00min laps are you using any front brake coming into turn one or are you slowing down solely on engine braking at the entrance of turn 1? Right now I am running a 2:03 lap time on street tires and I am picking up some dunlop GPA's for the 28th and I want to break the 2min mark. I still haven't figured out what gears I should be in around the track but I saw another thread about it and I will study that. I'm sure I can break 2min on monday I am just looking for the expert advice for those that run deep into turn 1 and how you do it. I have taken the advice of some lvl 2 instructors but I feel like they were being conservative. Any advice will help Thanks

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Old 05-25-2012, 09:42 AM   #2
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Full throttle untill a little past the transition then on the brakes a little while dropping to 4th all the way through turn 2.
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pull your out and hold on tight! lol
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pull your out and hold on tight! lol
This helps also.
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lmao at the responses. YES YOU USE YOUR BRAKES also if you are on a 600 and up click 2 downshifts
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if you arent using your brakes then you arent going fast enough
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Work towards braking into every corner and throttle out of every corner.
Take notice where you're coasting, no coasting. Either on the gas or on the brakes.
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little braking, and a downshift.
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I can tell you how I do it. WOT through the transition, aim for the inside of Turn 1, brake, downshift once, brake, downshift twice, and setup for 2.

You can see the video below for a visual. I'm at the top of the rev limiter in 6th going through the transition. You can actually hear it climb more when I tip in. I'm on a 07 gsxr600.

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No braking until after the transition, then you have to scrub some speed with your brakes. Sometimes If I'm really hauling on the 1000 I might engine brake just a tad before the transition but I NEVER brake before the transition. On a 600 or 750, it's WFO.

You need to be listening to guys running sub 50's or at least close to it.

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pull your out and hold on tight! lol
now I rememeber why I have never signed up for a TWS (Texas World Speedway) day.
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now I rememeber why I have never signed up for a TWS (Texas World Speedway) day.
lol.. When you find them, come out and play!
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Work towards braking into every corner and throttle out of every corner.
Take notice where you're coasting, no coasting. Either on the gas or on the brakes.
i really need to practice this
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lmao at the responses. YES YOU USE YOUR BRAKES also if you are on a 600 and up click 2 downshifts
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Work towards braking into every corner and throttle out of every corner.
Take notice where you're coasting, no coasting. Either on the gas or on the brakes.
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No braking until after the transition, then you have to scrub some speed with your brakes. Sometimes If I'm really hauling on the 1000 I might engine brake just a tad before the transition but I NEVER brake before the transition. On a 600 or 750, it's WFO.
And this! I highlighted the key word in Brandt's post. I think the hardest part with Turn 1 @ TWS (Texas World Speedway) is mentally getting through there. One thing that helped me was making sure that I weighted my pegs through the transition. It allows your legs to absorb the bumps and settles the bike down which in return makes it less scary.
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Cool, thanks everyone for the advice. I got my slicks thanks to Whoop and I'm ready for Monday. I hope to get under 2min. Thanks AJ for the video and nice meeting you today. I'll be giving this a try on Monday.
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pull your out and hold on tight! lol
+1. T1 is the best!

I had a sub 2 minute lap but the lap timer was so far off it was comical. I was sure to show erry body my proof I was fast
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on a 600 i hold the throttle wide open all the way into entering turn 1 (on the 1000 i ain't gonna lie, i scrub speed off coming down the transition). soon as i hit the transition i'm on the brakes and downshifting getting ready to tip into turn 2. i try and square up turn 2 a bit. helps me get a nice drive towards turn 3.
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Do you guys go pass that yellow line or stay just inside of it ?
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I've been scared going into 2.. Don't like going pass that yellow line. Thinking there is just a bunch of there.
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