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Old 01-04-2007, 05:53 PM   #101
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I wouldn't put too much emphasis on price. A plastic helmet costs less than a composite helmet because it is less labor intensive to manufacture. You can see this within the same brand, like HJC. A Shoei or Arai costs more than HJC, Scorpion or whatever else because it's made in a first world country and not Korea or China. The people making an Arai get a working wage you and I could live off of. Sure, quality might have something to do with it but I think it's mostly a reflection of other factors. Speculation of course.
in that case, where do you speculate arai's are made?
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:54 PM   #102
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They are made in Japan to the best of my knowledge, as are Shoei.
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:56 PM   #103
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I read the whole article a while back and was looking for it throughout reading this thread. Finally found it ... definitely putting it into my favorites now.

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True enough. In a single impact test. Real world would problably yeild multiple impacts. I want MY helmet to stay in ONE piece if I hit something that doesn't give. Not to be insensative, but ask thorn what kind of helmet he will buy next time. He had an angel on his shoulders and expect great things from him in the future.
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:56 PM   #104
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Dude...lets get this straight. I like my shoei. Only I have to like it because I spent the money on it. If you are happy with DOT standards and like cheaper helmet go get a wal mart bell helmet. I DON'T CARE. It your head not mine. I am comfortable with my decision. I make enough money that I don't have to cringe at dropping 1300.00 dollars on 2 shoeis. They fit my focked up head and like no other does.
Good for you, I loved my Shoei. Haven't ridden in the Arai yet.
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I wouldn't put too much emphasis on price. A plastic helmet costs less than a composite helmet because it is less labor intensive to manufacture. You can see this within the same brand, like HJC. A Shoei or Arai costs more than HJC, Scorpion or whatever else because it's made in a first world country and not Korea or China. The people making an Arai get a working wage you and I could live off of. Sure, quality might have something to do with it but I think it's mostly a reflection of other factors. Speculation of course.
No no... price does reflect options is what i said. A lighter well ventilated helmet is obviously going to be more then some other ones not as light or ventilated and i am under the mind set that these developments are pushed by the race industry. Although, it wuold be nice to have some one with more knowledge to comment on that but, I did see an Arai rep speek about this on 2wheel tuesday once.
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:57 PM   #106
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Don't you own/run a shop? Pushing those new Shark's you got in huh? Scorpion is not a copy of a shark, the only thing remotely similar is the quick change shield. It's funny how my $130 scorpion vents soooo much better than my $600 shark. Once again, any helmet is better than no helmet at all.


Don't you owen run a bike shop, don't you know this too.

Scorpions owner was head of Marketing for First Gear which he went over to Europe and copied from Hein Gericke and marketed in the Us. That is what he has done to Shark as well the anti-fog lense, his whole helmet demonstration was copied from Shark.

Shark has been around for atleast 15 years, I saw them in Europe 10 years ago and saw the same demonstration then that scorpion is doing now bending the shield etc.

Scorpion has been around 2 years they are made in china they spend big bucks on marketing and graphics.

Btw the only problem I have with my Sharks is keeping them in stock.

Once again I agree with you anything is better than nothing even if it is made in china.
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No no... price does reflect options is what i said. A lighter well ventilated helmet is obviously going to be more then some other ones not as light or ventilated and i am under the mind set that these developments are pushed by the race industry. Although, it wuold be nice to have some one with more knowledge to comment on that but, I did see an Arai rep speek about this on 2wheel tuesday once.
Sure it probably affects options. Like more venting in an X-11 versus a cheaper Shoei. Racers can probably help with that stuff, vents, aerodynamics. So far as safety I'm not sure.

Shoei actually has their own wind tunnel, so I don't think they need much help from racers. Racers are mostly a marketing thing IMO.
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TLLuvr, I stand corrected. thanks for the lesson. ya learn something new everyday!!!!!
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:47 PM   #110
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i really dont think that someone is going to manufacture a helmet that wasnt safe for riding.lawsuits are something that most people dont wanna go through.i bought a scorpian helmet because it yes very reasonable priced and it fit my big head..i did not have to worry about breaking the bank because it didnt have some fancy design on it with sparkly colors..sure arai's and all the other expensive helmets look better and are lighter weight..but as long as everyone is wearing a helmet who cares.i also think that ur paying alot for the name
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Old 01-04-2007, 07:54 PM   #111
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I would never knock any helmet on anyones head, I am glad to see people wearing them.

If its at the minimum dot approved there is nothing wrong your helmet.

to whatever helmet you choose to put on your head.
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Old 01-04-2007, 08:01 PM   #112
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What about ICON Helmets, yalls opinion?
I dont think Icon makes anything good, they just look cool
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Old 01-04-2007, 08:16 PM   #113
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I dont think Icon makes anything good, they just look cool

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I've purchased several diff. Icon items.

I should say I rented them, because none of them lasted longer than 4 or 5 months
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^ and I felt bad because I gave some of that stuff as gifts and it feels crappy when someone's gloves or helmet fall apart after three months
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FWIW, Icon is Parts Unlimiteds "house brand". It's helmets are manufactured by Z1R.
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and Z1R's helmets are manufactured by HJC. Their rep was in the shop this afternoon with Larry from PU.
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Now that I didn't know!
Thanks Joe!
Although I put HJC pretty far above Z1R.
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i usually do as well, but Z1R says they design their own helmets here in the USA and send the specs to HJC for manufacturing. at least that's what the rep said earlier, how true that is i do not know!?!?
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yeah.. lets all go ride in that kind of weather... and freeze our u know whats off...
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Some are made by HJC, as I mentioned earlier a HJC/Z1R had a recall last year. Icon Alliance and Mainframe are made by Jtech (the Alliance had some pretty serious problems in DOT testing too, failed all the retention tests if I recall). Maybe Jtech has some affiliation with HJC, I don't know. Hard to be sure who they're farming out each particular model to.

So far as "designing" the helmets, I'm speculating that the core of the helmet (the shell/EPS) is a standard product of Jtech or HJC, and Parts Unlimited picks where the vents go, what graphics to use, where to put a gay ricer spoiler like that new Icon, etc..

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