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Old 05-16-2012, 12:49 PM   #21
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huh? She was hit from behind. That's almost always the person in the rear's fault...

It's hard to tell really. She didn't turn into the closest lane, which is her fault, but it seems like the car that hit her was speeding too.

while not 100% her fault, its not 100% cagers fault either. she could have done many things diff. that woulda have changed the outcome
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she was rear ended, no?

here, that is the fault of the guy that hits you.
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she misjudged but at that, the cager was hauling , & was not paying attention to slow down enough. I think the cager would get a citation, to me regardless of her lack of experience, there was enough time for her buddy to notice put up his hand & the cager at the last minute hits the breaks. maybe the cager was on their cellphone but definitely at fault IMO, just too fast & ample time to slow down.
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Failure to yield, failure to turn into the correct lane, failure to accelerate to a reasonable speed in time...

It appears that the distance from the end of one line to the next is about 4 bike lengths, which are themselves about, what, 6 feet? That car was about 9 away from the impact site, 3 seconds before the crash, which would be an average speed of 72 FPS, or ~49 MPH. The fish-eye effect of the helmet cam makes it seem as if the car is approaching much more quickly.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:51 PM   #24
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huh? She was hit from behind. That's almost always the person in the rear's fault...
Not if the car had the right of way, which it did since she coming from a side road
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Not if the car had the right of way, which it did since she coming from a side road
Doesn't mean that the drivers can keep on going, its called yielding.
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That car did not look like it even tried to stop. The sun was low and almost direct ahead, and I bet the driver never even saw her bike. The impact occured some 3sec after she made the turn. it is also possible that car might have swerved to the outside lane to go around the minivan.

Still, she should've stayed behind the minivan on the inside lane. She'll live and learn.
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Doesn't mean that the drivers can keep on going, its called yielding.
Exactly, she has to yield to traffic
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i agree there was a failure to yield & the car had the right of way, but in many other instances to avoid an accident it does not get you off the hook. i just think there was too much time for the cager to slow down. contrary to some posts, i think both are at fault
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Not if the car had the right of way, which it did since she coming from a side road
Where she coming from?
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100% bikers fault, without any doubt...........period
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She got nailed in the back, so in Texas it would most likely be the driver at fault, right?



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They taught me that at Awesome Cycles.
Over half of all fatal motorcycle crashes involve another vehicle. Most of the time, the motorist, not the motorcyclist, is at fault. There are a lot more cars and trucks than motorcycles on the road, and some drivers don't "recognize" a motorcycle - they ignore it (usually unintentionally). - MSF
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Not if the car had the right of way, which it did since she coming from a side road
This. If you pull out in front of someone and they hit you it is your fault.

If she had got on the gas it wouldn't have happened.

Of course the obvious answer is its the man who let her on a bike who is at fault.
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Let's switch it up. Same exact place, time, and speed, except you're on your bike where the car is, and that dumb pulls out in front of you in a cage. Now who wouldn't be pitching a fit, flipping her off, kicking her mirrors and posting it on MH?
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She got nailed in the back, so in Texas it would most likely be the driver at fault, right?





Over half of all fatal motorcycle crashes involve another vehicle. Most of the time, the motorist, not the motorcyclist, is at fault. There are a lot more cars and trucks than motorcycles on the road, and some drivers don't "recognize" a motorcycle - they ignore it (usually unintentionally). - MSF
Had a competant rider been there instead of her, no collision would have occurred.

I think.
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I think they both would have been at fault and ticketed. She for making an illegal turn not into the nearest lane and the car not slowing to avoid an accident. I agree with those that said she clearly was not an experienced rider. Based on how fast that car was going I would get the speed of traffic on that road was around 40+ mph and she was really put putting along, afraid to give it any throttle.

I think an important point is that in motorcycle accidents it almost never matters who's at fault because the motorcyclist usually gets the bad end of the deal no matter what side the law falls upon.
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