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Old 05-08-2012, 08:14 AM   #1
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Saving the front - what to do if the front starts slipping

Recently had a lowside at the track just wanted to get yalls opinion on what to do when the front starts kicking out. I was trail braking and didnt get on the gas soon enough by the time I had reached the apex. Also should have got more weight over the rear tire and stood the bike up more.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:20 AM   #2
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I've only slid the front one time and it was on a brand new slick off a warmer that hadn't been scrubbed in. I felt the front slide a little bit and my eyes got as big as dinner plates and just picked the bike up as fast as I could. Managed to save it. Not sure if that was the proper thing to do but it's what I did.

The rear is another story.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:34 AM   #3
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Good thread!! I get nervous when I have any movement in the bike.... I am just getting used to the bike moving around...(because i am a noob I guess)
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:37 AM   #4
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:38 AM   #5
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I had my front end step out on Lime Creek Rd around Lake Travis. It stepped way out. I was going down a hill that turned left at the bottom. I shifted weight forward and it quit slipping. Not sure it that's right, but it worked. I was moving pretty good for a lowered and stretched Busa.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:40 AM   #6
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I would think putting more weight on the front would be the wrong thing to do since it is already working so hard you are just going to overwhelm the front - Like so many cases in motorcycling i think the answer is more throttle
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:46 AM   #7
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no sure whats the right thing to do... I almost lost the front in RR a few years back.. I'm sure some of you remember that.. I ended up on the other side of the road. I felt no traction and picked the bike right up!
After that.. I took it to the track!
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:47 AM   #8
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When that fron tire goes... it goes.. faster then blinking your Eyes.
You're up and the next second you're picking up all the parts off the grown. lol
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:48 AM   #9
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I would know.. My low side at Msrh a year ago.. video still on youtube I think.
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I would think putting more weight on the front would be the wrong thing to do since it is already working so hard you are just going to overwhelm the front - Like so many cases in motorcycling i think the answer is more throttle
It was the right thing in my situation. My front end was unloaded due to the transition from down hill on the gas to an immediate turn.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:57 AM   #11
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It was the right thing in my situation. My front end was unloaded due to the transition from down hill on the gas to an immediate turn.
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well I guess I should have named this post differnetly ... when you lose the front youre basically not going to save it ... happens so fast and like floyd said you are basically just going to pick up parts ... but if you are getting front wheel chatter and know you are pushing the limits you can react to save the front a bit
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Honestly... I used to get alot of front wheel chatter on the SV because of the suspension. The combination of soft back end and soft front end would cause the bike to seesaw some in heavy lean... I never knew what to do... so I just stayed the course and held the throttle steady. Was this right? if I know but I never went down so it SEEMED like the correct procedure and it was the one I followed through with consistently. I am very interested in finding the answer to this question.
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I asked Dr. gonzo(sent him this link)---- he is busy at work--- waiting on his reply...
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I don't think front end chatter goes in the same boat as losing the front.
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I think the proper reaction is based on the actual reason it's slipping or stepping out. It could be a tire issue or a suspension issue. I'm sure there are other issues like surface condition too. Mine was a combo of gravel and unloaded front end.
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Alonzo-----There a lot of variables when it comes to loosing the front. One person's scenario will differ from anothers. There's really no one certain answer. 9 times out of ten, your bike will warn you, then there are other times when is just goes. Being smooth when it happens is key. Whether you're on the brakes or on the gas

Then I asked if he was goin to post up... He said, I am working, women!!!

So dr gonzo will maybe give us some good advice later bc he is working for a change
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I read somewhere couple years back to apply a little rear brake something about the gyro rotation of the rear and the rear brake being applied makes the rear shock compress some and takes ever so slightly some force off the front wheel. The article said it is almost to little even see if someone does it but 90% of the time it is all the front end needs you to take away... Sounds logical to me but never tried it....
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Alonzo-----There a lot of variables when it comes to loosing the front. One person's scenario will differ from anothers. There's really no one certain answer. 9 times out of ten, your bike will warn you, then there are other times when is just goes. Being smooth when it happens is key. Whether you're on the brakes or on the gas

Then I asked if he was goin to post up... He said, I am working, women!!!

So dr gonzo will maybe give us some good advice later bc he is working for a change

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