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Old 05-08-2012, 11:27 AM   #81
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So Ivan I'm curious...

Doing a noob ride is better for a person to learn to ride "get proper instruction" and has a better chance of not going down than a trackday?
I think a TRUE noob ride can make the track a less hair raising experience for someone who has never been. Problem is that a lot of noob rides turn into a free-for-all quickly and people get hurt.

Not suggesting that noob rides are a replacement for a TD, but they can be very helpful until a person gets the chance to hit the track.
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So Ivan I'm curious...

Doing a noob ride is better for a person to learn to ride "get proper instruction" and has a better chance of not going down than a trackday?
You are mixing 2 things together...

Noob ride, will help on how to ride in a group, what a good line is on a twisty road and some of the concept of street riding to make you safer. I'm referring to a noob ride by the Texlurch, Bevo, senator and some of the methods I have hosted one.

It doesn't necessarily mean you won't wreck ever in any situation, self control goes a long way. Inlaid g your limits does also. At the track they tell you to ride 80% of your limit, I ride at 75% for the most part, but thats me. Other people ride a bit above, that translates everywhere though. Because it's not always the environment, it's the rider.


To answer your question, no...it doesn't mean you won't wreck at the track.

But that's not the aim, the aim is to help newer riders with introduction to curves and the concept of street group rides. The freedom of the open road and the nice day and sites are something the track can't provide.

The twisties can't provide the controlled environment and exhilaration that those tight turns without a worry of cops the track provides...but not all of us are looking for that.

Plus tracks are not open 24/7
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:30 AM   #83
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Old 05-08-2012, 11:33 AM   #85
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I agree with you pinball but still didn't answer the question.


I just want a yes or no.
I did give you an answer...
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Cool story Ivan
I see you didn't like my answer...
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I agree with you pinball but still didn't answer the question.


I just want a yes or no.
I don't think there's a yes or no answer to your question. A slow-paced ride with a group of noobs that has no experienced riders sprinkled through the group to help with body position, lines, etc is pretty useless. Add a handful of guys who have experience (street and track) to that group to watch for issues and offer advice to correct them as they come up, and a noob ride can be invaluable.

For clarification, I have to ask what you're calling "proper instruction." Is it simply someone who teaches for a MCS? Personally, I think "proper instruction" is advice from someone who knows and understands braking, lines, acceleration and body position. Granted, if they know those things they probably learned it from a TD instructor, but they don't necessarily have to hold the title of instructor to pass on that information.
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As for who is more likely to go down with street instruction vs. TD, I think that calls for a poll. Would be interesting to know how many with track experience have wrecked on the street.
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I don't think there's a yes or no answer to your question. A slow-paced ride with a group of noobs that has no experienced riders sprinkled through the group to help with body position, lines, etc is pretty useless. Add a handful of guys who have experience (street and track) to that group to watch for issues and offer advice to correct them as they come up, and a noob ride can be invaluable.

For clarification, I have to ask what you're calling "proper instruction." Is it simply someone who teaches for a MCS? Personally, I think "proper instruction" is advice from someone who knows and understands braking, lines, acceleration and body position. Granted, if they know those things they probably learned it from a TD instructor, but they don't necessarily have to hold the title of instructor to pass on that information.
Don't worry Pinball, Mike has a one TRACK mind.
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The going down part I was meaning it as if you took a new person and made him ride the street and you take a new person and have him ride the track one day. Who is more likely to go down also who is more likely to benefit from it.
Ok, will they only be riding in that environment?

Ask Jose Silva how comfortable he would feel on the street. Not at all trying to say he would not eventually be like a fish in water. But I recall a convoy I had with him that he would not want to ride street because of comfort.
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The going down part I was meaning it as if you took a new person and made him ride the street and you take a new person and have him ride the track one day. Who is more likely to go down also who is more likely to benefit from it.
Everyone is different and a blanket statement can't be made.

Experienced riders crash on the street and track. Instructors have even crashed during a session. Wherever you ride, the more comfortable you are with your bike, the better, and the more you'll get out of any instruction, track or street.
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in the wind now lol

Y'all do what y'all think is right and goodluck with it.
Nah. Not in the wind. You have some valid points. You're far less likely to die learning your limits on the track than on the street. I don't think anyone can argue that.
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Y'all do what y'all think is right and goodluck with it.
Oh come on...let's have more fun. Lol
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