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Old 05-07-2012, 03:21 PM   #61
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"intermediate" guy breaks the rules
"intermediate" guy does not detect erratic riding infont.
"intermediate" guy causes accident

Simple as that, guy infornt can't help any of it. its a track day not a race, we have all been there and we all waited for the safe opportunity to pass.....i hope.
It's not really that simple, that's just one way of looking at it. They collided for two reasons - 1)Rider A has no clue what the line is, how to stay on it or why its best to stay on it and 2)Rider B made the choice to pass the erratic rider since he was so far off the line it seemed very unreasonable for Rider A to come back to the race line from nearly going wide off the track.

To me, it looks like the POV rider hit the guy passing him more than the other way around. While the rules were broken on the inside pass it doesn't relieve the other guy of all responsibility for the wreck.
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Old 05-07-2012, 03:28 PM   #62
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I think they should stay in intermediate... mainly cause I am in novice and don't want either asshat out there with me.
They're probably thinking the same thing.........we've seen your excursion rates and landscaping skills J/K
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It's not really that simple, that's just one way of looking at it. They collided for two reasons - 1)Rider A has no clue what the line is, how to stay on it or why its best to stay on it and 2)Rider B made the choice to pass the erratic rider since he was so far off the line it seemed very unreasonable for Rider A to come back to the race line from nearly going wide off the track.

To me, it looks like the POV rider hit the guy passing him more than the other way around. While the rules were broken on the inside pass it doesn't relieve the other guy of all responsibility for the wreck.
I guess it would be the child's fault if he was playing hop scotch on the sidewalk and tumbled into his yard only to get run over my a car who was cutting through the yard too... because rules and laws are clearly optional.
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They're probably thinking the say the same.........we've seen your excursion rates and landscaping skills J/K


What can I say? I love landscaping as an art form... making something in nature more beautiful through hardwork and throttle twisting.
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They're probably thinking the same thing.........we've seen your excursion rates and landscaping skills J/K
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I guess it would be the child's fault if he was playing hop scotch on the sidewalk and tumbled into his yard only to get run over my a car who was cutting through the yard too... because rules and laws are clearly optional.
Interesting choice, making the child the POV rider but it doesn't really work since the yard isn't a place either of them are intending to inhabit (unlike the track/turn), neither have any reason whatsoever to be there and they're not playing the same game.
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◦Safe passing is permitted anywhere with a 6-foot minimum safety cushion from ANY direction of the bike being passed.◦The track tempo is intermediate to fast.
◦PLEASE NOTE: Riders in this group must wear a back protector and no licensed racers are permitted in the Intermediate Group unless cleared by Sportbike Track Time Staff.
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responsibility of passing rider to pass safely....that being said, he made it through just fine.

really though, that rider (who went down) was taking nice wide lines...I would have passed up the inside on the exit of a turn.....not at the apex.

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◦Safe passing is permitted anywhere with a 6-foot minimum safety cushion from ANY direction of the bike being passed.◦The track tempo is intermediate to fast.
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did that come from the trackday org that put the event on in this video?
or is that from one of our local trackday org's?
the guy who titled the video does not seem to think passing on the inside should have occured.
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2 people? News to me...

Make is a strong word.. my first track day there was some debate about 1 guy running wide after I chose to park it in the turn..in Novice... Granted I made a mistake, chose to brake, to avoid an off of my own. An individual coming up too close made a decision to avoid and leave the track where he did not go down until trying to re-enter the track. Mistakes were made... by both parties and I accept that fact. I learned to be on the line more consistently and he learned that Novice is not the time for licking each others tail pipes..

Are you aware of another person?
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did that come from the trackday org that put the event on in this video?
or is that from one of our local trackday org's?
the guy who titled the video does not seem to think passing on the inside should have occured.
On the video it mentioned that Trackday org...
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Interesting choice, making the child the POV rider but it doesn't really work since the yard isn't a place either of them are intending to inhabit (unlike the track/turn), neither have any reason whatsoever to be there and they're not playing the same game.

Interesting indeed. This argument was more a play at emotions than a logical example.
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Ill throw this out there... when he decided to pass, there looked to be 6ft of space. The guy on the cbr closed that space pretty quick.
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did that come from the trackday org that put the event on in this video?
or is that from one of our local trackday org's?
the guy who titled the video does not seem to think passing on the inside should have occured.
http://www.sportbiketracktime.com/our-approach.html
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did that come from the trackday org that put the event on in this video?
or is that from one of our local trackday org's?
the guy who titled the video does not seem to think passing on the inside should have occured.
I think STT actually has a no-inside passing rule in their "I" group.

*edit - WRONG!* Chris quoted from their site.
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I think STT actually has a no-inside passing rule in their "I" group.

*edit - WRONG!* Chris quoted from their site.
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well, then that opens up a another whole can of worms... no rule prohibiting the inside pass... now did he have 6' when he started? could change the whole perspective on whose fault the off was. could make zerobounds arguement have more meat in it.
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If I'm remembering correctly, Ride Smart is the only track group I've ridden with that doesn't allow inside passing in intermediate.
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