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Old 05-07-2012, 01:20 PM   #21
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Meh there is a turn there where do u think rider in front will go? The passer has to make sure he can past the guy completely not just the front end...

I can see this is gonna be a long thread..
His line was taking him off the track until he over corrected to the inside, looks the guy behind him was hugging the inside just about as tight as he could. He was all over the place in the turns before, missed all his apexes.
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:24 PM   #22
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His line was taking him off the track until he over corrected to the inside, looks the guy behind him was hugging the inside just about as tight as he could. He was all over the place in the turns before, missed all his apexes.
This is intermediate pace...doesnt matter if the guy was erratic or not....bad pass
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:25 PM   #23
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That's why Intermediate should not pass on the inside. It's more fun that way but more dangerous just because theres a huge skill disparity.
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:25 PM   #24
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Be careful how/when you make passes, you never know how bad the rider is in front of you...

POV rider was erratic and dove back into the turn, off his original line
Inside Guy shouldn't have made the pass since that Org's rules state Int passing on the outside only with 6ft cushion.

So I'm gonna say it was 80/20 split in fault
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That's why Intermediate should not pass on the inside.
Hey u Mr Elbow dragger!! Hush!! I like passing on the inside but safely
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Lol I remember that. That was close!!! I saw you go give him a piece of your mind also lol.


You coming back to TWS (Texas World Speedway) this weekend?
Nope going to pick up a new (to me track bike) out of state
Cuz i dont want this to happen to my slutty italian
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That's why Intermediate should not pass on the inside. It's more fun that way but more dangerous just because theres a huge skill disparity.
The disadvantage with not allowing inside passing in intermediate is that you, then, have to be 10 seconds faster than the max laptime for advanced to graduate.

Meaning, if you have to run a 2:00 to get into advanced, you need to be capable of 1:50s to actually run a 2:00 with only outside passing. And then when you actually get to advanced, its the first time you've ever seen someone come up under you.
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...And then when you actually get to advanced, its the first time you've ever seen someone come up under you.
Don't tense up. It'll just hurt more.
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No passing on the inside.

Period.

End of story.

Passer 100% at fault regardless of the situation.
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The disadvantage with not allowing inside passing in intermediate is that you, then, have to be 10 seconds faster than the max laptime for advanced to graduate.

Meaning, if you have to run a 2:00 to get into advanced, you need to be capable of 1:50s to actually run a 2:00 with only outside passing. And then when you actually get to advanced, its the first time you've ever seen someone come up under you.
That's not true. If you run a true advanced pace you can pass on the outside and be at pace to get into advanced.
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No passing on the inside.

Period.

End of story.

Passer 100% at fault regardless of the situation.
better yet don't ride a bike, then you cant wreck.
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better yet don't ride a bike, then you cant wreck.
No its pretty simple follow the rules of the track, you don't know whats going in with the guy in front of you, he could be trying to work out a suspension issue, or a braking issue, or having problems finding the line. But the bottom line is he is EXPECTING his inside to be clear, and so he can do stupid on his track day on his inside because there is NO passing on his inside.

A track day isn't designed so you can do whatever the you wannna do, its designed to been fun and enjoyable for everyone inside the rules.
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A track day isn't designed so you can do whatever the you wannna do
like ride erratically all over the place and ruin it for everyone behind you?
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That's not true. If you run a true advanced pace you can pass on the outside and be at pace to get into advanced.

Depending on your bike.
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like ride erratically all over the place and ruin it for everyone behind you?
I think he has a point.
It's not a race. If the rules are no passing on the inside then he can dive bomb the apex if he want
That said it's obviously a better idea to ride a steady line than not, but intermediate is not race pace/line.
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from the title of the video it seems that the poster viewed passing on the inside as a no-no. It is sometimes difficult to get a real feel from a bike mounted video as to exactly what the track is like and what the true "line" should be, but IMO the guy doing the video was not consistant with anything he did... he was sort of "all over the place", with that in mind, I likely would not have made an attempt to pass him in that corner for my own safety...in this case if I had tried to pass someone who was so erratic and he nose dived in like that and hit me, I would consider it my fault...I think I would have also been talking to someone about whether this guy should have been in that level to begin with... if I am see it right in the video he should have had someone helping him find where he should be.. he was all over the place...maybe that is why in my mind from what i have seen, the intermediate level is where you are most likely to go down...but that is just my observation from my limited experience....it seems to me like a much greater percentage of offs happen in the intermediate level. that is where there seems to be a greater disparity of closing speeds....
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like ride erratically all over the place and ruin it for everyone behind you?
no more like passing on the inside and slamming into a less experienced rider because your a cool cat who drags knees
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