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Old 05-07-2012, 11:58 AM   #1
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What is TMGP?

What is TMGP?
TMGP stands for Texas Mini Grand Prix, it is basically road racing the mini's.
I put this thread here instead of in the racing section because most of the folks who ask me questions
about TMGP do not read the racing section of the forum.
I get asked questions by folks who have never heard of TMGP everytime I post an event or roll call for the next race.
Racing the minis is an exciting and inexpensive (comparitively) way to experience racing.
Many of the things you will learn doing the minis will translate directly to the big bikes.
I have never talked to any rider who has told me that the time they spent doing minis
did not help them in their big bike riding.
Currently there are several riders in TMGP who also do regular trackday events and a couple
who also race CMRA. Racing the mini GP is not toy racing, it requires the same skill set that
racing the big bikes does.
When you hear some riders say smooth is fast, there is no better way to get there than mini GP racing.
I say that I like going fast slowly and mini GP racing is one way to learn to do that.
I have listed the class structure below for those of you who have questions about the racing itself
and what you can and can not do.
If this interests you, there are several of us on this forum who are active in TMGP,
Rob78, Jason Canuck, 10MM, Bagwell and myself, and some others I can not think of at the moment.
If you contact any of us we would be more than happy to answer any questions that we can.
There are currently no pocketbikes being run, at least not that I have seen.
On any given weekend the number of races and the classes run will be based on the bikes that show up.
The last 2 races there were 24 and 21 sprints respectively.

CLASS STRUCTURE:



BIKE CLASSES


Notes on bike classes:
Bikes are classified by chassis type, engine displacement, extent of modifications, etc.
Conditions specified in the Tech Requirements section apply to all bikes, regardless of class.
We reserve the right to move a bike up or down in class.
We reserve the right to change class definitions at any time.
Eligible machines listed usually represent only a small sample of bike configurations meeting that class.



Definitions:
GP Chassis: Sport-bike / race-bike configuration.
Motard Chassis: Dirt bike frame but with street tires (no knobbies allowed).


Supersport
Frame:
GP Style or Motard Style with original frame.
Engine:
Same type as original engine that came on your frame from the factory (cannot swap motor for another type).
2 stroke air cooled: 50cc max, with stock unmodified motor, carb, intake, air box, etc. Aftermarket or modified exhaust ok. Carb re-jetting ok.
4 stroke air cooled: 110cc max, with stock unmodified motor, carb, intake, air box, etc. Aftermarket or modified exhaust ok. Carb re-jetting ok. Conversion from automatic to manual transmission ok.
Eligible machines include:
Yamaha YSR50 with everything stock except for aftermarket exhaust and carb re-jetting.
Kawasaki KLX110 with everything stock except for aftermarket exhaust, carb re-jetting, and manual transmission.
Honda XR100 with everything stock except for aftermarket exhaust and carb re-jetting.


MiniGP 50
Frame:
GP Style only.
Engine:
2 stroke water cooled: 50cc max, with stock unmodified motor, carb, intake, air box, exhaust, etc. Carb re-jetting ok.
2 stroke air cooled: 60cc max, any other modifications ok.
4 stroke air cooled: 115cc max, any other modifications ok.
Eligible machines include:
Yamaha YSR50 with original motor bored out to 60cc max and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust ok.
Honda NSR50 with everything stock including exhaust. Carb re-jetting ok.
Honda NSF100 with everything stock except for aftermarket exhaust and carb re-jetting.
GP style bikes meeting requirements for Supersport Class.


Formula 7
Frame:
GP Style or Motard Style.
Engine:
2 stroke air cooled: 60cc max, any other modifications ok.
2 stroke water cooled: 50cc max, with stock unmodified motor, carb, intake, air box, exhaust, etc. Carb re-jetting ok.
4 stroke air cooled: 115cc max, any other modifications ok.
Eligible machines include:
Yamaha YSR50 with original motor bored out to 60cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Honda NSR50 with everything stock including exhaust. Carb re-jetting ok.
Honda NSF100 with original motor bored to 115cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
YSR50 / NSR50 frame with XR100 motor bored to 115cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Bikes meeting requirements for either Supersport or MiniGP Classes.


Formula 6
Frame:
GP Style or Motard Style.
Engine:
2 stroke air cooled: 65cc max, any other modifications ok.
2 stroke water cooled: 60cc max, any other modifications ok.
4 stroke air cooled: 135cc max, any other modifications ok.
Eligible machines include:
Honda NSR50 with 2 stroke water cooled engine bored out to 60cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Honda NSF100 with original motor bored / stroked to 135cc and modified aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Kawasaki KLX110 with 4 stroke air cooled engine bored / stroked to 135cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Bikes meeting requirements for either Supersport, MiniGP, or Formula 7 Classes.


Formula 5
Frame:
GP Style or Motard Style.
Engine (if running GP Style):
2 stroke water cooled: 65cc max, any other modifications ok.
4 stroke air cooled: 150cc max, any other modifications ok.
4 stroke water cooled: 125cc, any other modifications ok.
Engine (if running Motard Style):
2 stroke air cooled: 81cc max, any other modifications ok.
2 stroke water cooled: 75cc max, any other modifications ok.
4 stroke air cooled: 150cc max, any other modifications ok.
4 stroke water cooled: 125cc, any other modifications ok.
Eligible machines include:
Kawasaki KX65 / Suzuki RM65 / Honda CR65 with 2 stroke water cooled engine bored out to 75cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Kawasaki KLX110 with 4 stroke air cooled engine bored out to 150cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
RS125 with 2 stroke water cooled engine bored out to 65cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
RS125 with 4 stroke air cooled engine bored out to 125cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Bikes meeting requirements for either Supersport, MiniGP, Formula 7, or Formula 6 Classes.


Unlimited
Frame:
GP Style or Motard Style.
Engine:
2 stroke: 85cc max, any other modifications ok.
4 stroke: 150cc max, any other modifications ok.
Eligible machines include:
Honda CR85 / Kawasaki KX85 with 2 stroke engine at 85cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Honda CRF150R with 4 stroke engine at 150cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.
Bikes meeting requirements for either Supersport, MiniGP, or any Formula Class.


Motard
Frame:
Motard Style only.
Engine:
Same as Unlimited class.
Eligible bikes include:
Motard style bikes meeting requirements for either up to unlimited Class.


Motard65
Frame:
Motard Style only.
Engine:
2 stroke: 65cc max, any other modifications ok.
Eligible bikes include:
Kawasaki KX65 / Suzuki RM65 / Honda CR65 with 2 stroke engine at 65cc and modified, aftermarket carb and exhaust.


Jr. Motard
Frame:
Motard Style only.
Engine:
2 stroke: 80cc max
4 stroke: 110cc max
Other requirements:
All machines must have automatic clutch, stock engine and stock suspension.
All approved 80cc 2-strokes with automatic clutch must run stock exhaust systems.
Four-strokes up to 90cc may replace the exhaust system.
Four stroke machines 91cc – 110cc must use stock exhaust and stock air box.
With the exception of exhaust (4-strokes) and jetting changes, machines must remain stock.
Wheel changes approved, with a 14" Maximum size.
Handlebar may be replaced.
Eligible bikes include:
Honda Z-50
Yamaha TTR-110
Yamaha PW50
Yamaha PW80


Pocketbike / Super Pocketbike / Unlimited Pocketbike / Scooter
Bring what you have. If three or more register, we’ll race ‘em.


RIDER CLASSES


Notes on Rider Classes:
Riders are classified by multiple factors such as age, weight, experience level, etc.
Additional requirements are in place for minors, please see the Minors section.


Experience:
Novice
Expert (If you or those around you think you are an expert.)


Weight:
Lightweight (Rider weighs less than 160 lb)
Heavyweight (Rider weighs more than 160 lb)


Age:
12 & Under (Rider younger than 13 years of age)
Teens (Rider between 13 and 17 years of age)
Adult (Rider older than 17 years of age)


Combination:
Dinosaur (Rider over 200 lbs or older than 39 years of age)
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:02 PM   #2
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RACE STRUCTURE



Notes on Race Structure:
On most race weekends, TMGP will typically run two types of races: Endurance Race and Sprint Races.
One endurance race is usually run on Saturday, and several sprints are usually run on Sunday.
A novice class rider may participate in any race designated for expert class riders, as safety permits.
A slower class bike may be ridden in any race designated for faster class bikes, as safety permits.
Age requirements shall be applied as necessary to maintain safety.


Endurance Race:
Each endurance race typically lasts between three and eight hours (usually four), and simultaneously runs the following bike class - rider class combinations:
Formula 7 – Novice
Formula 7 – Expert
Formula 6
Formula 5


Sprint Races:
Sprint races typically last between six and eight laps (usually eight), with each race running one of the following bike class - rider class combinations:
Supersport
Scooter
Formula 7 - Novice
Formula 7 - Expert
Formula 7 - Lightweight
Formula 7 - Heavyweight
Formula 6 - Novice
Formula 6 - Expert
Formula 6 - Lightweight
Formula 6 - Heavyweight
Formula 5 - Novice
Formula 5 - Expert
Dinosaurs
MiniGP
MiniGP 50
12 & Under (Scooter and Pocketbike)
Unlimited
Backwards - Novice
Backwards - Expert
Jr. Motard
Motard - Novice
Motard - Expert
Pocketbike
Super Pocketbike
Unlimited Pocketbike




TMGP reserves the rights to:

Cancel or shorten any races with inconsistent grids.
Combine multiple classes to maintain grid consistency.
Move any bike and/or rider up or down in class.
Change class and race structure at any time.
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TECH REQUIREMENTS



RIDING GEAR:

· Full race leathers are strongly recommended. Leather jacket, leather gloves, leather boots that cover the ankle, and a full face helmet are required.

· Helmet MUST BE SNELL 2000 or newer.



INSURANCE:

· The Texas Mini GP Series does NOT provide medical insurance. Each rider must have their own personal medical insurance policy.



TECHNICAL INSPECTION - MACHINE REQUIREMENTS:

All race bikes must pass tech inspection. The tech inspector may at any time revoke approval of the bike if it no longer meets requirements. The tech inspector may at his discretion allow a "temporary fix" for a non safety related problem for a particular race weekend.

1. Axle nuts, oil filler and drain, brake caliper mounting bolts, and torque arms, must be either safety wired or cotter pinned. "R" type clips may be used in certain applications, but must be wired closed.

2. Oil and gas lines must be made secure.

3. Water cooled machines must use only water as a coolant. No antifreeze or antifreeze substitutes.

4. The bike must have an operating kill switch.

5. The throttle must be self closing.

6. Front and rear brakes must be in good working condition.

7. Any glass or plastic must be taped.

8. Tires must be in good condition, and must be street / slick type (no knobbies).

9. Removable exhaust baffles must be safety wired.

10. If a speedometer or tachometer are used, the cable must be safety wired at both ends.

11. All bikes must have catch bottles on any outlet that Water, Oil or Gas can leak from.

12. Where stock airbox / intake is required, air filter must be same general shape as OEM factory air filter.

13. Footpeg hinges must be secured with tape (click).





EQUIPMENT REMOVAL:

MUST BE REMOVED
MAY BE REMOVED


Battery
Horn

Mirrors
Reflectors

Turn signals
Helmet lock

Tail light assembly and bracket
Chain guard

Side stand
Battery box

Tool kit
Grab rail


Speedometer and cable


Headlight lens and bracket.


Rear brake light switch

Kickstart lever


Kick start internal mechanism




NUMBERS:

· Use your assigned number whenever possible. If you are riding a loaner bike, be sure to let registration know in advance.

· Numbers must be high contrast, clearly legible at a distance, and located on the front cowling, and either side of the tail cowling.
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I hope that all this answered most of the questions folks have, but if not, talk to one of the riders I mentioned or visit the website. http://www.tmgps.8k.com/
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I miss racing in the TMGP. It was the most fun I ever had and its true that what you learn there directly ties to the big bikes. You can't race any cheaper than that either.
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would love to see you out there. when you get ready, if there is anything I can do to help, let me know.
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would love to see you out there. when you get ready, if there is anything I can do to help, let me know.
I've got the CRF 150f in the garage. Might have to look into tarding it out. The girlfriend has been riding the out of it and would love to get on pavement, so I could do it with little to no lol
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everybody out there is grins ear to ear all day long.
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TMGP is WAY more fun then humans should be allowed to have....

"back in the day" we would gather with our PRODUCTION YSR50's in Hobby Lobbys parking lot inside the west loop and race all night. Everyone would bring cones and we'd set up tracks and race for practice....

Good times....

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there was at least one ysr 50 and several nsr's at Denton...
and expect them again in Katy in two weeks... one new NSR rider from austin will be there.. i have not riden one but they are fun to watch...
and i know of one nsr50 for sale locally at the moment.
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TMGP is WAY more fun then humans should be allowed to have....

"back in the day" we would gather with our PRODUCTION YSR50's in Hobby Lobbys parking lot inside the west loop and race all night. Everyone would bring cones and we'd set up tracks and race for practice....

Good times....

Those were the days, indeed. Miss 'em.
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That's a lot of detail. Thanks for taking the time to post that.
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Is formula 5 the only class you can race a kx65 in, and be competitive?.

What are the 3 most popular bikes out there if you had to say?

f5 is the only class you can race a kx65..being competive is dependent on rider skill, f5 allows up to 72cc but thats not to say you can be competive on a stock cc 65.




most popular bikes are kx65, klx110 and xr/crf100
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ype i agree with Rob, the bikes i see run most are the crf/xr100, the klx110 and the kx65, there are others but those are the most used. There are several of the nsr/ysr type bikes as well.
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The year we ran an F7 endurance team was one of the best times I've had on a bike.

Great information Obed for anyone considering it. Makes me want to revisit doing it next year if work schedule allows it.

You will not find a better group of people out there enjoying the sport and helping each other out.
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The two tracks that are currently being used are the Kart tracks in Katy and Denton.
Practice is up to you as far as that goes...
I joined the Katy track, annual membership is only $300 and the track is open anyday there is not a race scheduled... there are some of us who meet out there when our schedules allow and practice together, it is not really a good idea to go by yourself, just in case anything goes wrong...
on race weekends, the track is open in the morning for practice and the races are in the afternoon.
Tojo is right about the folks out there.. great people who really enjoy what they do and are willing to do what they can to help you enjoy it...
I have seen guys break things and other come over and lend a hand to the point of taking parts off their own bikes to get yours going... swaping the part back and forth so both get to ride.... it is amazing the number of spare parts a lot of the more experienced guys carry...it is a very supportive, family friendly atmosphere..
if you have never been you will not feel like it after the first few minutes... folks will treat you like you have been part of the group forever.
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