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Old 05-03-2012, 06:33 AM   #1
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First off; Hi everyone! I am really enjoying the community so far.

My question is I have a 2009 ninja 650r (twin). Would moving to say an r6 or zx-6 be a huge power difference or are they close to my bike? What about the 2009 r6s, is that more like my bike.
Just curious because I'm ready for more power but I am definatley not wanting a liter bike due to insurance and my skill level.

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Old 05-03-2012, 06:35 AM   #2
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5 months 6000 miles. No track day but did two days on the three sisters so it felt like a track.
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5 months 6000 miles. No track day but did two days on the three sisters so it felt like a track.
Wow must be a prodigy... Ive been 2 years almost on my SV650 and now 3 track days and I am not even close to outriding my bike's capability..
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I just rode the three sisters, and it's not even close to track days. I've only had only 1 TD so far, and the towards the end of my first TD, I could barely finish the 20min sessions. And I sore all over for 3days after that. Yes, I'm way out of shape, but boy did track riding (especially a technical one) beat you up.

The only part that was sore after the 900mile 3sisters ride was my . And that went away as soon as I got off the bike.

You are not going to see a lot of difference in power going to a 600 supersport, just more high RPM extension. The 6million $ question is: what do you want to accomplish?

If you want a better performance commuter, slightly used FZ1 or Suzkuki 1250 Bandit are excellent but still fairly economical bets. Yes they've got the displacement, but won't overwhelm you like a litre superbike. If you can afford new, Z1000 or Ninja 1000 or CB1000R are newer designs worth a look.

If you want to improve your riding skills, keep the 650 for commuting and buy a cheap track bunny. Any 600 SS or SV650 made in the last decade would do. No insurance required, or even registration if you don't want to.
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I recommend riding one first because the 650 has a completely different power band than a super sport. I tried the zx-6r and found I prefer bikes with good low and mid range.
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5 months 6000 miles. No track day but did two days on the three sisters so it felt like a track.
Sir. The 3 sisters doesnt come close to what you learn at the track.

Get some track time in. learn your bike some more and enjoy it.

there is no hurry to get a SS. I rode for 7 years before getting an SS and 2 of those years were on an SV650.

trust me. 650's can do some amazing things on the track.

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What riding position do you prefer?
A Z1000 would have a similar power curve and seating. You could still put lower bars, clipons, or risered clip-ons to get where you want.

If you are looking for power, make sure you keep the riding position in question. There's more to a bike than a motor... and the 650r is NOT a sport bike.
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Thank you for all that commented. I give my question as a novice not an expert so I definatley do not want to give the impression that I have mastered my bike or know anything about track days. Mainly I don't want to pay for a 600 if it's not a big difference in power.

If I had a 250 I already would have sold it even though I obviously wouldn't have "mastered" it to get my 650. So I figured this a similar progression. Again thx everyone
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The 650R makes what, 60whp? A newer 600 will make 105-110. It's a huge difference. I'm not exactly sure why people here are saying an almost 200% increase isn't a lot.
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I think you would be fine, the power difference is significant, but manageable. On your 650 you have a decent amount of useable power in the lower rev ranges, on a 600ss the power is manageable as well until you get past 7,000rpm, that's when life gets exciting on a 600ss, they are screamers.
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If you keep the revs below 7~8000rpm, like most people would do for normal street riding - especially for commuting - a 650 twin would actually have more torque than a 600 SS in that RPM range and be more ridable.

A 600 SS makes its power up on top, some rev as high as 15k RPM. If you ride a 600 in that range on the street, you'll attract Crown Vics like flies to t. Personally, I don't think it's a whole lot of fun either.

Riding a 600 all day at 10k-14k RPM on the track... now that's fun.
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Thank you for all that commented. I give my question as a novice not an expert so I definatley do not want to give the impression that I have mastered my bike or know anything about track days. Mainly I don't want to pay for a 600 if it's not a big difference in power.

If I had a 250 I already would have sold it even though I obviously wouldn't have "mastered" it to get my 650. So I figured this a similar progression. Again thx everyone
I rode an inline 4 a couple trips and it was fun but I prefer the low end torque of my V-twin. Not as much power..bout half but it scoots fast enough and forces you to carry more speed in the corners if you want to keep up with the 600s. Plenty of 250 riders on the track that burn those 600s up...
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What riding position do you prefer?
A Z1000 would have a similar power curve and seating. You could still put lower bars, clipons, or risered clip-ons to get where you want.

If you are looking for power, make sure you keep the riding position in question. There's more to a bike than a motor... and the 650r is NOT a sport bike.

I would say if you don't want a HUGE difference go Z750. The upright stance you have on the 650 right now will still be there but there will be a lot more power.

I love my Z1000 as a daily commuter.
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I switched from my ninja 650r to an R6 after only 3 months. I did not come anywhere close to mastering the 650. I just simply wanted something that looked sportier and had a more aggressive riding stance. There is a power difference but it's not something that will totally overwhelm you. I say go for it and switch bikes. It's your money brah. Spoil yourself.
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