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Old 01-04-2007, 11:43 AM   #81
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1) Hitler didn't either when he first took the reins in Germany, and as I said the threat that someone will act that way again will move people to action.
Yea but Saddam has been in power for around 20-30yrs, he has had the reins and still there are very limited parallels that can be drawn between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. A more appropriate candidate for this type of comparison would be Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.

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2) I'm all for capturing Bin Laden and punishing him........but in the impact on World events? zip.......and how much do we spend chasing around looking for him?
What positive impact on a global scale did removing Saddam have? Now what would the answer be if I asked what negative impact has been observed since his removal? I would suspect one could find more negatives than positives but perhaps I'm simply a pessimist. The undeniable truth is that, whether or not you attribute it directly to his removal, the world is a far more volatile place since that point in time.
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Old 01-04-2007, 11:54 AM   #82
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Yea but Saddam has been in power for around 20-30yrs, he has had the reins and still there are very limited parallels that can be drawn between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. A more appropriate candidate for this type of comparison would be Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.



What positive impact on a global scale did removing Saddam have? Now what would the answer be if I asked what negative impact has been observed since his removal? I would suspect one could find more negatives than positives but perhaps I'm simply a pessimist. The undeniable truth is that, whether or not you attribute it directly to his removal, the world is a far more volatile place since that point in time.
Your not reading what I said.......but that is ok.
And the undeniable truth is, the world is probably a more volatile place just in the time this thread has been around.
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Your not reading what I said.......but that is ok.
And the undeniable truth is, the world is probably a more volatile place just in the time this thread has been around.
I thought I read and comprehended what you were saying but that is neither here nor there. Care to point out what I was missing? Also, I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree...
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The point was that most of the world will not wait for some crazy to get to the point that Hitler did.......because things have progressed to the point where it would be devastating for EVERYONE to have WW3.
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The point was that most of the world will not wait for some crazy to get to the point that Hitler did.......because things have progressed to the point where it would be devastating for EVERYONE to have WW3.
Very true, unfortunately we are exhausting a great deal of our resources on a country that seemed to have been less of a threat then several other current parties. :eh:
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:59 PM   #86
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The point was that most of the world will not wait for some crazy to get to the point that Hitler did.......because things have progressed to the point where it would be devastating for EVERYONE to have WW3.
Although I didn't read that out of what you were saying, thanks for the clarification. I though it was more that you were saying that it was necessary to learn from history and act accordingly (which I wholeheartedly agree with) but it also seemed that in essence you were applying this to the situation in Iraq, essentially saying that the Saddam/Iraq situation was parallel to the situation in Europe in the late 30's early 40's (which I disagree with). Oh well, whatever... I'm wondering if Iraqis/Sunni's will blame the US for Saddam's treatment during his execution?
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Very true, unfortunately we are exhausting a great deal of our resources on a country that seemed to have been less of a threat then several other current parties. :eh:
Dammit Moody, +41 billion. Exactly
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Very true, unfortunately we are exhausting a great deal of our resources on a country that seemed to have been less of a threat then several other current parties. :eh:
+1 to that
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Coorection to post #86

I thought it was more that you were saying that it was necessary to learn from history and act accordingly...
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Although I didn't read that out of what you were saying, thanks for the clarification. I though it was more that you were saying that it was necessary to learn from history and act accordingly (which I wholeheartedly agree with) but it also seemed that in essence you were applying this to the situation in Iraq, essentially saying that the Saddam/Iraq situation was parallel to the situation in Europe in the late 30's early 40's (which I disagree with). Oh well, whatever... I'm wondering if Iraqis/Sunni's will blame the US for Saddam's treatment during his execution?
someone will always throw blame elsewhere.
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Very true, unfortunately we are exhausting a great deal of our resources on a country that seemed to have been less of a threat then several other current parties. :eh:
I can't argue that except how many may be disuaded by the actions of the last 3-4 years? If there are no apparent repercussions for your actions you tend to get pretty brave........Kadafi<sp>?
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I can't argue that except how many may be disuaded by the actions of the last 3-4 years? If there are no apparent repercussions for your actions you tend to get pretty brave........Kadafi<sp>?
Iran comes to mind...North Korea as well...oh yea, and certain African governments whom will go unnamed that I fear will be enboldened due to their actions having gone unnoticed by most of the world.
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someone will always throw blame elsewhere.
Yea but I just wonder if a majority will...
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well, if they would only air on public tv the actions of saddam 20 years ago when he executed people and had them gassed and killed, only then might the public view it differently, they see this NEW action on tv and feed only on that, forgetting what saddam truly did to deserve the punishment that he got.
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The sad thing is that we empowered and emboldened Iran by removing Saddam because Iraq acted as a check to Iran and now that the country no longer has a stable government, Iran has no real and/or significant enemies in the region and can thrive.

My base point, which Moody reiterated, was as quoted before:

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In the end, I don't believe Saddam was an immediate threat to our security and those resources that we've used in Iraqi could have been better used in capturing Bin Laden (some responsible for actually taking American lives) and perhaps diplomatically focusing, atleast initially, on Iran and North Korea...two entities which I think are more of an immediate threat than Saddam has EVER posed to us. My .02's.
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Iran comes to mind...North Korea as well...oh yea, and certain African governments whom will go unnamed that I fear will be enboldened due to their actions having gone unnoticed by most of the world.
Those are the 2 that have been the most VOCAL........but so far have behaved themselves. And the African governments, on the world stage are going to do.........nothing.:eh:
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well, if they would only air on public tv the actions of saddam 20 years ago when he executed people and had them gassed and killed, only then might the public view it differently, they see this NEW action on tv and feed only on that, forgetting what saddam truly did to deserve the punishment that he got.
I agree, plasticity of memory is an interesting thing...
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It all sucks! Unfortunately I have become so jaded about all of this that it is difficult to talk about it anymore and even more difficult to bring myself to follow any news on it.
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Those are the 2 that have been the most VOCAL........but so far have behaved themselves. And the African governments, on the world stage are going to do.........nothing.:eh:
LMAO, wow :laughing6 :laughing6 :laughing6

So going against the UN and testing nuclear weaponry, testing missiles capable of delivering those nukes is behaving? These are the actions of North Korea. As for Iran, they are manufacturing weapons and supplying the Iraqi insurgency with the weapons they use to kill our GI's. Research an EFP, these are being used on our soldiers and the country that manufactures them is Iran. This has all been proven and documented. Also they are actively developing their own nuclear capabilities, and have gone on record as saying that the Israel should be "wiped off the map". This is a snap shot and it is FAR from behaving. But ok, believe as you will...
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