MotoHouston.com MotoHouston.com
Register Members List Member Map Media Calendar Garage Forum Home Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MotoHouston.com > Off Topic (everything else) > Off Topic
Forgot info?

Welcome to MotoHouston.com! You are currently viewing our forums as a guest which gives you limited access to the community. By joining our free community you will have access to great discounts from our sponsors, the ability to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content, free email, classifieds, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join our community!

Register Today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.


FREE MH Decals by MAIL!

Reply
Share This Thread: 
Subscribe to this Thread Thread Tools
Old 01-03-2007, 04:43 PM   #61
CaJuNsOuLjA
Resident Glasnost
 
CaJuNsOuLjA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NW: 249 & Beltway
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 11,106

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
*SOLD*...(Pending purchase): 2006 CRF 450






Quote:
Originally Posted by Clayton9698
from what i gather they dont like that we went over there and they hate bush.. but they are glad to have saddam gone... :confused1

Idiots... thats why i got outa the army, so i never have to deal with them again.
I would agree but were it for an interesting thing I saw the other day where an Iraqi made a statement along the lines of being grateful that Saddam was gone but felt as though although Saddam was a brutal dictator, you were mostly in danger if you were a public dissident of his regime yet regarding the current situation, you can be blown up, shot, kidnapped and tortured for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time at any given moment. Think about the hundreds of tortured, bullet-riddled bodies of Iraqis seen everyday. The current Iraqi death toll is higher than it has ever been. I'll be back with some figures in a sec...
__________________
indifferent0028"They've created a nation of spenders, speculators, and consumers, and they've destroyed the savers, producers, and the investing class that built this country. We're moving from a market-based economy to essentially a planned economy. We're abandoning capitalism and embracing socialism. That's a recipe for disaster." - Peter Schiff
CaJuNsOuLjA is offline   Reply With Quote
Similar Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New BMW 1000S RR in Showroom Today and Tomorrow Nov 13-14 jcsanchez68 General Discussion (Moto Related) 31 11-16-2009 03:48 PM
Hanged Census worker had 'fed' on chest houstonch73 Off Topic 19 09-24-2009 01:11 PM
saddam in the morgue bentgixxer Off Topic 1 01-09-2007 12:02 AM
this guy is a F@#$in dumb@#$!! and should be hanged fjkfta Off Topic 19 01-08-2007 03:17 PM
Advertisement
Old 01-03-2007, 04:44 PM   #62
Moody
Holy Smokes!
 
Moody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Feedback Rating: (4)
Posts: 14,685


Bike(s):
281









Quote:
Originally Posted by CaJuNsOuLjA
I would agree but were it for an interesting thing I saw the other day where an Iraqi made a statement along the lines of being grateful that Saddam was gone but felt as though although Saddam was a brutal dictator, you were mostly in danger if you were a public dissident of his regime yet regarding the current situation, you can be blown up, shot, kidnapped an tortured for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time at any given moment. Think about the hundreds of tortured bullet riddled bodies of Iraqi seen everyday. The current Iraqi death toll is higher than it has ever been. I'll be back with some figures in a sec...
Exactly my initial reasoning for my "Doubt it!" statement.
__________________

Open your eyes and reclaim the freedom you were born with. - Moody
Moody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 04:47 PM   #63
NO MORE F4I
my hand hurts
 
NO MORE F4I's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: downtown h-town
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 9,755

Experience: 5 years

Bike(s):
bikeless now
my bmx p.o.s.








so is he dead yet?
__________________
It Drive On
NO MORE F4I is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 04:49 PM   #64
CaJuNsOuLjA
Resident Glasnost
 
CaJuNsOuLjA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NW: 249 & Beltway
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 11,106

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
*SOLD*...(Pending purchase): 2006 CRF 450






Quote:
A team of American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003 than would have died if the invasion had not occurred.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101001442.html
It's just one study, but interesting...
__________________
indifferent0028"They've created a nation of spenders, speculators, and consumers, and they've destroyed the savers, producers, and the investing class that built this country. We're moving from a market-based economy to essentially a planned economy. We're abandoning capitalism and embracing socialism. That's a recipe for disaster." - Peter Schiff
CaJuNsOuLjA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 04:50 PM   #65
ScooterTrash
ConroePowderCoating.com
 
ScooterTrash's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cut n Shoot
Feedback Rating: (3)
Posts: 17,239


Bike(s):
lots of em






Quote:
Originally Posted by Clayton9698
just realized that thing only has like 9 loops on it.. TX law still says your gotta use 13..
he ain't in Texas, Toto
__________________
[COLOR="Lime"][B]Highway HorrorS c.c.[/B][/COLOR]



[QUOTE=Mr.D;2764337]
I respect scootertrash because well... He's like the Jesus of building and fixing .
[/QUOTE]
ScooterTrash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 04:50 PM   #66
CaJuNsOuLjA
Resident Glasnost
 
CaJuNsOuLjA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NW: 249 & Beltway
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 11,106

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
*SOLD*...(Pending purchase): 2006 CRF 450






Quote:
Originally Posted by no mercy f4i
so is he dead yet?
It is assumed he is in fact dead, yes.
__________________
indifferent0028"They've created a nation of spenders, speculators, and consumers, and they've destroyed the savers, producers, and the investing class that built this country. We're moving from a market-based economy to essentially a planned economy. We're abandoning capitalism and embracing socialism. That's a recipe for disaster." - Peter Schiff
CaJuNsOuLjA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 04:50 PM   #67
ScooterTrash
ConroePowderCoating.com
 
ScooterTrash's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cut n Shoot
Feedback Rating: (3)
Posts: 17,239


Bike(s):
lots of em






Quote:
Originally Posted by Moody
They have arrested the guy who took the video.
really?
__________________
[COLOR="Lime"][B]Highway HorrorS c.c.[/B][/COLOR]



[QUOTE=Mr.D;2764337]
I respect scootertrash because well... He's like the Jesus of building and fixing .
[/QUOTE]
ScooterTrash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 04:50 PM   #68
Moody
Holy Smokes!
 
Moody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Feedback Rating: (4)
Posts: 14,685


Bike(s):
281









Quote:
Originally Posted by no mercy f4i
so is he dead yet?


Supposedly!
__________________

Open your eyes and reclaim the freedom you were born with. - Moody
Moody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 04:56 PM   #69
NO MORE F4I
my hand hurts
 
NO MORE F4I's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: downtown h-town
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 9,755

Experience: 5 years

Bike(s):
bikeless now
my bmx p.o.s.








Quote:
Originally Posted by Moody


Supposedly!
awesome
__________________
It Drive On
NO MORE F4I is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 05:59 PM   #70
loewer600
G-MAN
 
loewer600's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Sagemont/45& Dixie Farm
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 327


Bike(s):
'05 CBR600RR SOLD









Quote:
Originally Posted by paniro187
hmmm maybe if we found osama and went after all these illegals ****s running around in this coutnry maybe then I'd feel safer. saddam had to do with our safety. how about that for your cookie.
I dont disagree with u at all about that..but your sarcastic remarks get on my nerves. Most of the time they are uncalled for.. I never said anything about my safety...Saddam should have been hung due to the genocide he conducted....as for my cookie?? Naaa that wasnt it.
loewer600 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 08:13 PM   #71
AliceInChains02
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Crosby, TX (NE)
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 7,169

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
nada









Quote:
Originally Posted by Moody
Ok, I stated I did not agree with this war initially but, once we release the war machine let them do the job they are trained and paid for. That is all I am saying....what we are doing now is disgusting in my opinion and I just think it would be interesting to see a dollar for dollar comparison. That is what this is all about anyways.... is it not?
The "war machine" and the "Atom Bomb" are 2 different concepts, I think.
War is 2 enemies fighting. Dropping a bomb indiscriminately over a whole city/area where innocent people are, I think, is another issue altogether. This breaks the boundaries of war and borders mass murder(Hiroshima/Nagasaki), in my mind.
And I don't think it's okay to base decisions to kill 100s of thousands of innocent people exclusively on how much money it will save. Think how much money it would save to have no war in the first place, but sadly it seems a general consensus that that will never be an option.
I guess what I'm really getting at is why do you have to narrow it down to such bleak options? Stay the course or kill everyone? How about making allies and staying on the path to world peace, or at least trying to. It's hard to fathom what could happen if so many millions of people(like the militaries of the world) put their time/effort into making the world a better place in terms of religious/ethnic/national squabbles through peaceful means, but no one wants to risk that. and besides no one's ever heard of a peaceful-industrial complex. I don't think because the world's not perfect and because people die in war that these imperfections should be so quickly accepted and integrated.
Quote:
do we want Americans to die or do we want some one else to fall instead?
Let's hope there's another choice. to me it doesn't come down to us and them (america and "some one else")..there is no them. we're all the same and it's this capitalist, selfish mindset of the modern world that has everyone so twisted that they think life's actually about these silly things we surround ourselves with.

j/k. i'm so high

Last edited by AliceInChains02; 01-03-2007 at 08:15 PM.
AliceInChains02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 08:21 PM   #72
MadseasoN
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 77002
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 5,603

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+











At least he got to live from the time that they captured him until last week.

.... just trying to look on the bright side
MadseasoN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 10:54 PM   #73
BrutusTx
Guest
 
Posts: n/a







Member Garage





Quote:
Originally Posted by CaJuNsOuLjA
It's just one study, but interesting...
I would suspect there have been more Iraqi's killed by Iraqi's than those killed by coalition forces? And how many MORE would die if we packed up and went home tomorrow............and how many would almost certainly have died if they rose up and tried to drive Hussein out?
The what if's are endless..........but standing by and doing nothing, history can and does repeat itself and times have changed since WW2:eh:

Last edited by BrutusTx; 01-03-2007 at 10:57 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 09:42 AM   #74
paniro187
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 13,466












Quote:
Originally Posted by loewer600
I dont disagree with u at all about that..but your sarcastic remarks get on my nerves. Most of the time they are uncalled for.. I never said anything about my safety...Saddam should have been hung due to the genocide he conducted....as for my cookie?? Naaa that wasnt it.
I could give a and that's not sarcasm
__________________
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.-H. L. Mencken

When you add emotion to any equation, you can't trust the results-Unknown
paniro187 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 10:45 AM   #75
CaJuNsOuLjA
Resident Glasnost
 
CaJuNsOuLjA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NW: 249 & Beltway
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 11,106

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
*SOLD*...(Pending purchase): 2006 CRF 450






Quote:
Originally Posted by BrutusTx
I would suspect there have been more Iraqi's killed by Iraqi's than those killed by coalition forces? And how many MORE would die if we packed up and went home tomorrow............and how many would almost certainly have died if they rose up and tried to drive Hussein out?
The what if's are endless..........but standing by and doing nothing, history can and does repeat itself and times have changed since WW2:eh:
That's exactly the point...Iraqi's killing Iraqis. Sadly, Saddam kept this Sunni v. Shia hostility under control. Although you must consider there is an insurgency in Iraq and those parties from outside of the country are responsible for a great deal of the killing. Now I am of the same mind about leaving, not for the Iraqis but for the sake of the men and women fighting over there. I would hate to just pack up and leave, and there being a sense that they've been fighting and risking their lives all for nothing. As far as your "what if's" and "history" from WW2 and the like, there are/were alot of more immediate threats in the world than a Saddam Hussein. Sure he caused a great deal of harm to his people but so is the government of Sudan who is carrying out the genocide of it's very own citizens (This can repeatedly be seen throughout history, yet we continue to allow for it. This is an indication of our priorities). If you see the need to save Iraqis from Saddam then surely you would agree that we should intervene in the Sudan as well. In the end, I don't believe Saddam was an immediate threat to our security and those resources that we've used in Iraqi could have been better used in capturing Bin Laden (one responsible for actually taking American lives) and perhaps diplomatically focusing, atleast initially, on Iran and North Korea...two entities which I think are more of an immediate threat than Saddam has EVER posed to us. My .02's.
__________________
indifferent0028"They've created a nation of spenders, speculators, and consumers, and they've destroyed the savers, producers, and the investing class that built this country. We're moving from a market-based economy to essentially a planned economy. We're abandoning capitalism and embracing socialism. That's a recipe for disaster." - Peter Schiff
CaJuNsOuLjA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 10:46 AM   #76
BrutusTx
Guest
 
Posts: n/a







Member Garage





Quote:
Originally Posted by CaJuNsOuLjA
That's exactly the point...Iraqi's killing Iraqis. Sadly, Saddam kept this Sunni v. Shia hostility under control. Although you must consider thaere is an insurgency in Iraq and those parties from outside of the country are responsible for a great deal of the killing. Now I am of the same mind about leaving, not for the Iraqis but for the sake of the men and women fighting over there. I would hate to just pack up and leave, and there being a sense that they've been fighting and risking their lives all for nothing. As far as your "what if's" and "history" from WW2 and the like, there are/were alot of more immediate threats in the world than a Saddam Hussein. Sure he caused a great deal of harm to his people but so is the government of Sudan who is carrying out the genocide of it's very own citizens (This can repeatedly be seen throughout history, yet we continue to allow for it. This is an indication of our priorities). If you see the need to save Iraqis from Saddam then surely you would agree that we should intervene in the Sudan as well. In the end, I don't believe Saddam was an immediate threat to our security and those resources that we've used in Iraqi could have been better used in capturing Bin Laden (some responsible for actually taking American lives) and perhaps diplomatically focusing, atleast initially, on Iran and North Korea...two entities which I think are more of an immediate threat than Saddam has EVER posed to us. My .02's.
I would suspect that the threat to "US" was never a big issue, the threat of another Hitler probably being more accurate. Bin Laden's capture is more of an ego thing than having a major impact on what is going on in the world...IMHO. N. Korea I think is the bigger threat than Iran for the same reason....a mad man running things.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 10:56 AM   #77
paniro187
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 13,466












Quote:
Originally Posted by BrutusTx
I would suspect that the threat to "US" was never a big issue, the threat of another Hitler probably being more accurate. Bin Laden's capture is more of an ego thing than having a major impact on what is going on in the world...IMHO. N. Korea I think is the bigger threat than Iran for the same reason....a mad man running things.
but bush said he was a imminent threat and we needed to go in there RIGHT FREAKIN' NOW!!! OR IT'S ALL OVER FOR US!!!
__________________
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.-H. L. Mencken

When you add emotion to any equation, you can't trust the results-Unknown
paniro187 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 10:59 AM   #78
BrutusTx
Guest
 
Posts: n/a







Member Garage





Quote:
Originally Posted by paniro187
but bush said he was a imminent threat and we needed to go in there RIGHT FREAKIN' NOW!!! OR IT'S ALL OVER FOR US!!!
Yeah.........that is more or less what he said.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 11:23 AM   #79
CaJuNsOuLjA
Resident Glasnost
 
CaJuNsOuLjA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NW: 249 & Beltway
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 11,106

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
*SOLD*...(Pending purchase): 2006 CRF 450






Quote:
Originally Posted by BrutusTx
I would suspect that the threat to "US" was never a big issue, the threat of another Hitler probably being more accurate. Bin Laden's capture is more of an ego thing than having a major impact on what is going on in the world...IMHO. N. Korea I think is the bigger threat than Iran for the same reason....a mad man running things.
1) Saddam had nowhere near the ability to impact the world the way a Hitler did, the two are hardly comparable.

2) Perhaps you see capturing Bin Laden as more of an ego thing but I would see it as justice served. We capture criminals to ensure justice is served, or so is the intention.

3) Agreed, N. Korea is a threat, they actually have nuclear weaponry. They are not currently the most efficient at conducting the process but have the technology nonetheless, it is only a matter of time.
__________________
indifferent0028"They've created a nation of spenders, speculators, and consumers, and they've destroyed the savers, producers, and the investing class that built this country. We're moving from a market-based economy to essentially a planned economy. We're abandoning capitalism and embracing socialism. That's a recipe for disaster." - Peter Schiff
CaJuNsOuLjA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 11:28 AM   #80
BrutusTx
Guest
 
Posts: n/a







Member Garage





Quote:
Originally Posted by CaJuNsOuLjA
1) Saddam had nowhere near the ability to impact the world the way a Hitler did, the two are hardly comparable.

2) Perhaps you see capturing Bin Laden as more of an ego thing but I would see it as justice served. We capture criminals to ensure justice is served, or so is the intention.

3) Agreed, N. Korea is a threat, they actually have nuclear weaponry. They are not currently the most efficient at conducting the process but have the technology nonetheless, it is only a matter of time.
1) Hitler didn't either when he first took the reins in Germany, and as I said the threat that someone will act that way again will move people to action.

2) I'm all for capturing Bin Laden and punishing him........but in the impact on World events? zip.......and how much do we spend chasing around looking for him?
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:16 AM.


MotoHouston.com is not responsible for the content posted by users.
Privacy Policy