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Old 04-28-2012, 01:16 AM   #21
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LOL. It is an awesome commercial, and I embrace the idea of less rider aids and more rider control. I just happen to be partial to Yamaha. I wouldn't trade in my fly by wire throttle system anyday.
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Old 04-28-2012, 05:06 AM   #22
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Riding the absolute limit is completely different than old tech.

Look at Formula 1 enthusiasts and ask them when was the best era of the sport.

They definitely won't tell you it's right now.
Same goes with Moto GP,WRC, JGTC, you name it.
I understand, and as I said I partially agree. But really? ABS not even as an option?

And the ad is not intended for the motogp riders, its intented for everyday consumers, either for people who want to race/do trackdays or people who just wanna ride around on weekends. And when you hear people say "I'll buy the X brand cause it has ABS" means that there is a market of people asking for it, thats why almost every company has started implementing it, at least as an offered option.

You trully believe a future Gixxer won't have ABS because they made this commercial? They're out to make money, if sales go down because they will be the only ones that dont offer bj's with the purchase when others do, they will get on their knees and offer bj's as well... Thats how the market works.

Not a suzuki hater btw, been a proud owner of a few so far. Just being objective...
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:55 AM   #23
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I believe there is a market for purists. It keeps production cost down for all end users too.

I do agree with what youre saying though. A lot of people do like ABS. As well as tcs, wheelie ctrl, etc.

If I as a rider can stop faster without ABS then I simply see it as wasted money and research time that is currently being spent elsewhere.

I guess neither of us could possibly be right until we see Suzuki's next move.

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Old 04-28-2012, 10:22 AM   #24
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I like it. I appreciate electronics, but there is a point to a rider controlling it all that makes it more impressive to me.
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I think alot of people degrade gsxrs and kawi's cause I'm sure if you put Honda Suzuki and kawi threw a torture test the Honda would most likey outlast the others jmo. Stators and rectifiers always go bad on gsxr's along with the evap thing a majig. Kawi's have real bad transmissions. And idk about Honda but the abs sucks on the newer Hondas makes it hard to endo
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Niiiice commercial. Maybe people bag on gsxr's because a lot of squids ride em
Maybe....but why on something sweet just cause people like them.....squids or not.....that's like baggin Harleys cause "bikers" ride them......stuiped.......well u know what they say about haterz......
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I been watchin MotoGP since before it was called that. I watched from Hailwood to Roberts and through Schwantz until today.
If you ask me (and I know you didn't), today is just as much the "Golden Age" as it was when we watched the races on VCR's.
The racing is intense and close and the outcome is seldom predictable.

Those who talk about going back to the old ways, where the bikes were dangerous and hardly rideable are dreaming. The new technology has allowed the racers to push harder than ever before AND

we have all benefitted with bikes that have more power, computer engine controls, slipper clutches, ABS, wheelie control, fuel injection and better tires than we could have dreamed of 30 years ago.

Bikes, like cars, are better than they have ever been.
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Old 04-28-2012, 07:58 PM   #29
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I been watchin MotoGP since before it was called that. I watched from Hailwood to Roberts and through Schwantz until today.
If you ask me (and I know you didn't), today is just as much the "Golden Age" as it was when we watched the races on VCR's.
The racing is intense and close and the outcome is seldom predictable.

Those who talk about going back to the old ways, where the bikes were dangerous and hardly rideable are dreaming. The new technology has allowed the racers to push harder than ever before AND

we have all benefitted with bikes that have more power, computer engine controls, slipper clutches, ABS, wheelie control, fuel injection and better tires than we could have dreamed of 30 years ago.

Bikes, like cars, are better than they have ever been.

But when exactly is skill and finesse lost ????
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I think only the aids that cut engine power and braking power are where skill and finesse is lost.

As far as suspension, tire, engine, ergonomics, etc. technology improvement. Well that is all beneficial to the bond between man and machine.

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But when exactly is skill and finesse lost ????
Skill and finesse aren't lost, just changed.
If electronic aids were all that, then you are I should be able to compete in MotoGP, if only we had a really skilled team to set up our bikes, right?
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Maybe If I had the money?

Lolololol

It's not like those guys Learned with all those aids.

This is why race car drivers usually start with karts and not a Nissan gtr

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Old 04-28-2012, 08:41 PM   #33
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I think only the aids that cut engine power and braking power are where skill and finesse is lost.

As far as suspension, tire, engine, ergonomics, etc. technology improvement. Well that is all beneficial to the bond between man and machine.
Do I really need to say anything here....... and what about wheelie control etc....
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Niiiice commercial. Maybe people bag on gsxr's because a lot of squids ride em

I love my Suzuki...and my fellow squids!


It is an awesome commercial, though...even if it is b.s. I mean, seriously, how many times does the average rider find that they need to power slide through a hairpin corner?
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I don't like all the electronic aids that are being implemented in the new bikes. What happens when riders begin to rely on these aids? Put them on an older bike and they may find themselves in a ditch.

I have traction and stability control on my car but that gets turned off as soon as I get out of the driveway. It would have been nice if it was an option so I could pocket the money for tech I don't want.
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I don't like all the electronic aids that are being implemented in the new bikes. What happens when riders begin to rely on these aids? Put them on an older bike and they may find themselves in a ditch.

I have traction and stability control on my car but that gets turned off as soon as I get out of the driveway. It would have been nice if it was an option so I could pocket the money for tech I don't want.
I agree, it should be an option that you don't have to pay for if you dont want it.


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It's not like those guys Learned with all those aids.
It will be interesting to see how the younger riders, that have only ridden bikes with electronic aids, will do in the future.
It's not like we should want bikes to stay in the past. No FI, no aids.
That would be like watching NASCAR. There is a place for technology to be developed and it's MotoGP.
The bikes we, as consumers, get to buy are better for the process.
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I think the aids become a false sense of security for new riders and a sales pitch for dealerships. How many brand new riders will think "this S1000RR is fine for my first bike. , it has TC and ABS, what could go wrong."
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