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Old 04-20-2012, 09:24 PM   #21
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Old 04-21-2012, 12:16 AM   #22
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EVERY time a rider is killed by a car they throw some bs about speeding in whether they were or not. (Yes I've seen cops pull this out of their A** when a friend got hit that was doing 35)

I tend to take the riders side because it sure as wouldn't have been ok for them to pull out in front of a speeding bus. They would feel pretty stupid and get all the blame. Since it was a bike......the rider is the stupid one. Funny how that works when they shift the consequences they shift the blame.
(Some) cops don't want to do the due diligence. Much easier to blame the side carrying a stronger stereotype, also harder for the "at-fault" to fight in court. Happens to minorities all the time. Bikers are the minority group on the road.

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Well, his buddy stayed at the scene. I guess he may have told what happened to the police?


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Old 04-21-2012, 12:33 AM   #24
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Let's hope so..

But guilt by association, my friend.

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EVERY time a rider is killed by a car they throw some bs about speeding in whether they were or not. (Yes I've seen cops pull this out of their A** when a friend got hit that was doing 35)

I tend to take the riders side because it sure as wouldn't have been ok for them to pull out in front of a speeding bus. They would feel pretty stupid and get all the blame. Since it was a bike......the rider is the stupid one. Funny how that works when they shift the consequences they shift the blame.

...and a lot of 'riders' like to claim ^ like above too. Funny thing, it's NOT that hard to determine if speed was a possible factor due to level of damage, travel distance, skid marks etc.

It's also easier to see/recognize (and less likely for a bus to be doing) doing 10, 15 or 20+ over the speed limit than it is a motorcycle.


Did your 'friend' live or was he killed @ the scene?
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EVERY time a rider is killed by a car they throw some bs about speeding in whether they were or not. (Yes I've seen cops pull this out of their A** when a friend got hit that was doing 35)

I tend to take the riders side because it sure as wouldn't have been ok for them to pull out in front of a speeding bus. They would feel pretty stupid and get all the blame. Since it was a bike......the rider is the stupid one. Funny how that works when they shift the consequences they shift the blame.
Yep.. and in just about every case, the bike WAS speeding, and usually not just 5 over.

Sad to say but people, even riders themselves, have a hard time seeing and judging the speed of an approaching bike.

If you ride the streets expecting people to cut you slack and watch for you, then you are the "stupid" one.

We're invisible, until we do something stupid like haul thru traffic or wheelie down a crowded highway.. then EVERYONE sees and remembers us.

Call it a stereotype, and it is.. and we brought it upon ourselves by all the -hattery.
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...and a lot of 'riders' like to claim ^ like above too. Funny thing, it's NOT that hard to determine if speed was a possible factor due to level of damage, travel distance, skid marks etc.

It's also easier to see/recognize (and less likely for a bus to be doing) doing 10, 15 or 20+ over the speed limit than it is a motorcycle.


Did your 'friend' live or was he killed @ the scene?

I've had several friends that lived & one that didn't. It always seemed to go the same. We were riding in a group and the car turned between bikes like he hadn't seen any of us. We were doing under the limit approaching a light but "they must have been speeding" was thrown out immediately.

One of the investigators told me that skid measurements n the like have little bearing on MC's. Bikes slide and damage unpredictably due to their shape & makeup. Too many variables for consistency. They can give you an idea..........but they can also be VERY misleading.

As a police officer don't you get tired of people justifying their CRIME by insinuating something about someone else being at fault? They failed to safely enter traffic regardless of what was coming down the road. Why is that the victims fault.
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I've had several friends that lived & one that didn't. It always seemed to go the same. We were riding in a group and the car turned between bikes like he hadn't seen any of us. We were doing under the limit approaching a light but "they must have been speeding" was thrown out immediately.

One of the investigators told me that skid measurements n the like have little bearing on MC's. Bikes slide and damage unpredictably due to their shape & makeup. Too many variables for consistency. They can give you an idea..........but they can also be VERY misleading.

As a police officer don't you get tired of people justifying their CRIME by insinuating something about someone else being at fault? They failed to safely enter traffic regardless of what was coming down the road. Why is that the victims fault.
You specified 1 accident, thats the one we're talking about... did that rider live or die? However since you mention investigator, then it seems you should be aware the level of investigation done is different between the typical accident and one involving a fatality.

Why don't you explain how one can 'safely enter traffic, if say the cross traffic happens to be some dipshit doing 85 mph in a 35 mph zone?

...or how about another example a few years ago on 1960... a SuV pulled out on 1960 and got hit by a sportbike, based on circumstances you would have the SuV at fault no matter what.
Now let's consider that it was dark, the bike was moving faster than traffic and had it's headlight pionted at the sky. How the do you expect the driver of the SuV to see the bike, much less assess it's closing speed?
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EVERY time a rider is killed by a car they throw some bs about speeding in whether they were or not. (Yes I've seen cops pull this out of their A** when a friend got hit that was doing 35)

I tend to take the riders side because it sure as wouldn't have been ok for them to pull out in front of a speeding bus. They would feel pretty stupid and get all the blame. Since it was a bike......the rider is the stupid one. Funny how that works when they shift the consequences they shift the blame.
i take the public side, cuz i know how stupid people on sportbikes can be.......
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You specified 1 accident, thats the one we're talking about... did that rider live or die? However since you mention investigator, then it seems you should be aware the level of investigation done is different between the typical accident and one involving a fatality.

Why don't you explain how one can 'safely enter traffic, if say the cross traffic happens to be some dipshit doing 85 mph in a 35 mph zone?

...or how about another example a few years ago on 1960... a SuV pulled out on 1960 and got hit by a sportbike, based on circumstances you would have the SuV at fault no matter what.
Now let's consider that it was dark, the bike was moving faster than traffic and had it's headlight pionted at the sky. How the do you expect the driver of the SuV to see the bike, much less assess it's closing speed?
I think I remember that one , was it a silver and blue busa ? If the riders were doing 40-50 mph it wouldnt have take long for them to stop and even if there was impact it would have been minimal . Supadupa sorry for your loss , I lost a friend on 1960 when a 18 wheeler pulled in front of him but my friend was clearly at fault and it was very hard to to come to terms with it
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I think I remember that one , was it a silver and blue busa ? If the riders were doing 40-50 mph it wouldnt have take long for them to stop and even if there was impact it would have been minimal . Supadupa sorry for your loss , I lost a friend on 1960 when a 18 wheeler pulled in front of him but my friend was clearly at fault and it was very hard to to come to terms with it
Don't recall honestly... what stuck most in mind where the dipshits wanting to blame and attack the person driving the SuV.
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21 year olds on sportbikes don't speed: Fact
FYI, the speed limit on Fairlake is 30 mph
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FYI, the speed limit on Fairlake is 30 mph
...I think you're right, I think most try for NoE flight.
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