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Old 12-26-2006, 05:23 PM   #1
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I was just wondering goin from like 2 to 3 and up can u shift with out useing the clutch and is it safe b/c on my bike i can shift with out useing the clutch bar at all goin to 3 and up well thanks for your input
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:24 PM   #2
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i cant on my kawi 636. ive heard from 04-05 R6 owners they do it all the time at the track.
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:26 PM   #3
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Oh ok i was just making sure b/c i dont want to mess up the bike or anything or if the clutch was sliping or what but thanks tho
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:27 PM   #4
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You can upshift by blipping the throttle a little to unload the transmission gear dogs.
I typically won't downshift without the clutch, but upshift regularly without using it.
Properly done, it causes no problems. One caveat; I always use the clutch going from first to second.
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:29 PM   #5
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yea i do use the clutch for frist and 2nd but i also allways use the clutch to down shift also to make sure i dont mess anything up
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wow thats a lot of info... ill keep using my clutch.. i dont wanna blow nothing up!!! LOL
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:43 PM   #7
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you can do it but why not just use the clutch?
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you can do it but why not just use the clutch?
trying to save the .05 seconds and break 1:58's.
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i hear the r6's have a weak transmission? bending shift forks and such
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When racing sometimes you'll get less driveline lash by not using the clutch when upshifting, particularly coming out of a corner.
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trying to save the .05 seconds and break 1:58's.
I see... all these racers... just can't keep up with the trend anymore.
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:51 PM   #12
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Most of the R6 transmission problems were isolated to the '99 to '02 models.
The forks were pretty thin and there were some heat treat issues.
The '03's saw a complete redesign and i've yet to see any "out of the ordinary" failures.
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Most of the earlier R6 problems could be traced to shifting from 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd while doing a wheelie.
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:52 PM   #13
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^^^^^^^^ Plus it saves the clutch, do you agree Patrick. I do it all the time and my clutch is still stock on a 01 Gix 1000.
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:54 PM   #14
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Somewhat.

A really smooth rider can make his clutch last a long time.

What's hard on a clutch is "drag race style" starts from a redlight, hard downshifts from a high speed without matching the revs, and clutching it up on one wheel.
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and how bout the frames on the 2006 r6 models, still brittle?
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I was just wondering goin from like 2 to 3 and up can u shift with out useing the clutch and is it safe b/c on my bike i can shift with out useing the clutch bar at all goin to 3 and up well thanks for your input
My thought's are to simply invest in a Muzzy's air shifter with digi-kill... it'll definitely shave some time off your runs. Don't know if they have one for an R6 though since it is built more for the twisties than straightline.
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and how bout the frames on the 2006 r6 models, still brittle?
As far as a racebike?
Yep, the subframes have a nasty habit of breaking off the mounting ears on the frames, and the frames themselves aren't the stoutest.

Frame intregrity / ability to survive a crash was something we took into consideration this year in our choice of racebike for next season; our pick; CBR600RR
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i cant on my kawi 636. ive heard from 04-05 R6 owners they do it all the time at the track.
You can do this on any bike. It is easy to do but it take practices to shave times at the track. You can down shift anytime without using a clutch. Just step on shifter peg but not too much force. If you have to force anything then you are going to break it. For upshift, shift it the same time as you are letting go the throttle. Learn how to shift without using a clutch, it could save you being stranded on the road one of these days.
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You can do this on any bike. It is easy to do but it take practices to shave times at the track. You can down shift anytime without using a clutch. Just step on shifter peg but not too much force. If you have to force anything then you are going to break it. For upshift, shift it the same time as you are letting go the throttle. Learn how to shift without using a clutch, it could save you being stranded on the road one of these days.
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Old 12-26-2006, 06:18 PM   #20
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