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Old 04-18-2012, 09:15 AM   #41
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Funny you mention that. Putting a knee down never scared me, even the first time, but every single time I drag boot or peg it makes me check up a little bit. Every time.
Well... I did that a few times as well at GSS... and I was more comfortable with boot drag... even though I knew it meant I was doing it wrong.
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Well... I did that a few times as well at GSS... and I was more comfortable with boot drag... even though I knew it meant I was doing it wrong.
When I drag my boot or peg spur it's an indicator for me to hang off more
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When I drag my boot or peg spur it's an indicator for me to hang off more
or put my foot back where it belongs.
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Funny you mention that. Putting a knee down never scared me, even the first time, but every single time I drag boot or peg it makes me check up a little bit. Every time.
Excellent SR as Code would say... draggin' hard parts never ends good.
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I lost the front in the keyhole at MSRH and I was able to push the bike back up using my knee and kept from crashing and even stayed on course. However, I wasnt TRYING to do that
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I lost the front in the keyhole at MSRH and I was able to push the bike back up using my knee and kept from crashing and even stayed on course. However, I wasnt TRYING to do that
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or put my foot back where it belongs.
Uh, yeah, my boot is on the peg in the proper position when it drags
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I ground off both foot pegs and boot sliders last time at gss. Tore down into my boots by the end of the day. After market brought them up and fixed it.
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I ground off both foot pegs and boot sliders last time at gss. Tore down into my boots by the end of the day. After market brought them up and fixed it.
Did you have any room to hang off more?
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It frustrates me to pass people that have their knee down when I've only managed to do it once, ever.

Touching a boot down scares the shiz out of me too, and happens frequently on le tard as I herp derp on the giant bearclaw pedals frequently.
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Maybe a little, but I hang off a lot already being fairly light.
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Maybe a little, but I hang off a lot already being fairly light.
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But to address the hanging off comment, the lighter a rider is the more he needs off to get weight on the inside peg. A 150 lbs rider needs atleast half a cheek off the seat if not more, where 190 lbs and up gets half a cheek off at most. Hanging upper body off is not for dragging knee, though, the purpose of that is to get as much weight as possible to the inside of the centerline of the bike. By having your upper body inside and low, you stand the bike up more and are able to be more aggressive on the throttle on the exit, while adjustments midcorner are more forgiving as you now have much more room to work with lean angle wise.
Yes.. but also the bike weight, peg height, suspension settings..

It's about countering the centrifugal forces trying to stand the bike up in a corner.

Heavier/taller bikes need more weight in and down to maintain the line.
Lighter bikes with better peg clearance can lean farther and don't require as much inside.

The other thing playing in the mix is basic body mass.

Most males carry more weight from the waist up, so getting the head and shoulders over and down effectively moves more weight in than twisting and sticking your out...
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The knee is a gauge, and as you get faster it will happen less and less. I used to drag around every turn every lap, but now I just kinda tap knee every now and then. People that pivot on their tanks to get a knee down sadden me, as that style will eventually put them on the ground. But to address the hanging off comment, the lighter a rider is the more he needs off to get weight on the inside peg. A 150 lbs rider needs atleast half a cheek off the seat if not more, where 190 lbs and up gets half a cheek off at most. Hanging upper body off is not for dragging knee, though, the purpose of that is to get as much weight as possible to the inside of the centerline of the bike. By having your upper body inside and low, you stand the bike up more and are able to be more aggressive on the throttle on the exit, while adjustments midcorner are more forgiving as you now have much more room to work with lean angle wise.


well, that explains why my skinny is so far off my seat compared to everyone else...
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[quote=texlurch;3228150]Yes.. but also the bike weight, peg height, suspension settings..[quote] correct

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It's about countering the centrifugal forces trying to stand the bike up in a corner.

Heavier/taller bikes need more weight in and down to maintain the line.
Lighter bikes with better peg clearance can lean farther and don't require as much inside.
incorrect. At maintenance throttle, the bike will maintain its turning arc with no rider input.

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The other thing playing in the mix is basic body mass.

Most males carry more weight from the waist up, so getting the head and shoulders over and down effectively moves more weight in than twisting and sticking your out...
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incorrect. At maintenance throttle, the bike will maintain its turning arc with no rider input.
Nope.. perfect example is when a bike pitches the rider off mid turn or in a tank slapper.. it'll stand right up and head straight.
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Nope.. perfect example is when a bike pitches the rider off mid turn or in a tank slapper.. it'll stand right up and head straight.

Removing the rider is a rider input. Well.....technically an output I guess.
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