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Old 04-09-2012, 08:57 AM   #21
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hog handsignal <------ wtf ??!
Well....the only problem being...sometimes it is difficult to see the fingers from a distance....so one can easily mistake a stagger or single file signal..
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:10 AM   #22
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/\ True, but most of the time, you'll be in one, and know you are going to the other. OR, you'll see a turn or large freeway coming up and be able to figure out what the ride leader wants.


While there may be "proper" signals... I know that Senator's speach at one of the central meets didn't match several ride leader's instructions... so I tend to be aware and consider them all signals. I'm not saying anyone is wrong, just saying that people who take on mentor/leader/speaker roles don't always agree.

Turning has a proper signal, but there is no law on pointing to hazards or changing position within a lane.

What I have seen on MOST group rides....
A quick leg kick is a change of lane. Hold it out means watch for a hazard.
This goes for rides that aren't MH rides too.

EDIT: Senator replied before I could post. lol

Regarding the others.... If we're going 120mph, I kinda assume your eyes are open, and i'm signaling with my hands or legs. I'm not saying it's every man for himself, but well, kinda.
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While there may be "proper" signals... I know that Senator's speach at one of the central meets didn't match several ride leader's instructions... so I tend to be aware and consider them all signals. I'm not saying anyone is wrong, just saying that people who take on mentor/leader/speaker roles don't always agree.

Turning has a proper signal, but there is no law on pointing to hazards or changing position within a lane.

What I have seen on MOST group rides....
A quick leg kick is a change of lane. Hold it out means watch for a hazard.
This goes for rides that aren't MH rides too.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:16 AM   #24
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/\ True, but most of the time, you'll be in one, and know you are going to the other. OR, you'll see a turn or large freeway coming up and be able to figure out what the ride leader wants.


While there may be "proper" signals... I know that Senator's speach at one of the central meets didn't match several ride leader's instructions... so I tend to be aware and consider them all signals. I'm not saying anyone is wrong, just saying that people who take on mentor/leader/speaker roles don't always agree.

Turning has a proper signal, but there is no law on pointing to hazards or changing position within a lane.

What I have seen on MOST group rides....
A quick leg kick is a change of lane. Hold it out means watch for a hazard.
This goes for rides that aren't MH rides too.

EDIT: Senator replied before I could post. lol

Regarding the others.... If we're going 120mph, I kinda assume your eyes are open, and i'm signaling with my hands or legs. I'm not saying it's every man for himself, but well, kinda.
Why would you hold your leg out if there was a hazard?
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
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Hold it out, and steer to the opposite side of the lane (or at least over a BIT if someone is too close for me to move over all the way).

If staggered, or slightly single file and i move left, many times riders will move right to see a little past me. If I have my leg out while I do it, they know not to move into that now "open" part of the lane because there is a hazard.

Also, while steering, I don't want my hands off the bars. Especially the throttle side. And this may be mid turn also.

I think it's just a more natural thing too.


EDIT: This is also why most leaders want you there for the ride meeting... even if you are experienced. Keep things fresh in your mind, and know what to expect from the leader, and those who are doing what the leader asked.
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Why would you hold your leg out if there was a hazard?
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
I guess only street riders would know.. you should come out to a SMR and learn something
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:44 AM   #27
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Hold it out, and steer to the opposite side of the lane (or at least over a BIT if someone is too close for me to move over all the way).
If staggered, or slightly single file and i move left, many times riders will move right to see a little past me. If I have my leg out while I do it, they know not to move into that now "open" part of the lane because there is a hazard.
Also, while steering, I don't want my hands off the bars. Especially the throttle side. And this may be mid turn also.
I think it's just a more natural thing too.
EDIT: This is also why most leaders want you there for the ride meeting... even if you are experienced. Keep things fresh in your mind, and know what to expect from the leader, and those who are doing what the leader asked.
There in-lies the problem.
If you use the kick out method to regularly switch lanes, those of us who see the kick as an EMERGENCY HAZARD situation, are constantly scanning the ground for potential danger every single time you want to switch lanes.

So now you're saying we not only have to recognize you moving your leg, then decide how fast you are moving it, decide if it's a switch lane kick, or a hazard kick, start scanning to see if there is actually a hazard in the road, then finally react to MY INTERPRETATION of your multiple leg kick signals? That's more work than we have time to decide.

You use it more as a lazy way of signaling and therefore dull down the effect of a serious potential hazard in the road.

In almost a decade of riding with sportbikers and my dad's friends who all ride cruisers (that's what I started on), I have never seen someone dodge a serious hazard in the road while continually holding there leg out. It leaves for an unbalanced riding position, and that's even worse for a sport bike because that's where you're supposed to be planted the most.


Also, why in 's name would you want to be signaling at 120mph in a group ride, you have TONS more stuff to be worrying about than signaling...
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LOL I was a street rider doing SMRs before this board was around bud...
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I use hand signals with blinkers for lane changes. I Put the leg out for hazords. I have seen people using a leg for pack lane changes. I just understood what they ment.
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Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
To warm others of gravel or a dead animal, and you would do this only if it was safe for you to do so. I guess when you wrote the book on how to signal this wasnt what you wrote.
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To warm others of gravel or a dead animal, and you would do this only if it was safe for you to do so. I guess when you wrote the book on how to signal this wasnt what you wrote.
Didn't read every post huh?

Missed the whole quick ninja kick/ holding leg out ballerina discussion?
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Didn't read every post huh?

Missed the whole quick ninja kick/ holding leg out ballerina discussion?
It was lacking so I jumped to the second page. But yeah thats basically how its done.

What annoys me is when people up front keep switching formation. The quick ninja leg signaling and getting back in the correct staggered formation is ridiculous. It can be constant and is so dump looking rolling down the road (especially open highway). Nobody gives a if you are 2,3,4,5 just keep formation enjoy the turns and ride your ride. It really only effects the guys in the back which are usually the slower less expierenced riders. Which is a shame.......
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This has been discussed numerous times. Go back and read and maybe you will learn something
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It was lacking so I jumped to the second page. But yeah thats basically how its done.

What annoys me is when people up front keep switching formation. The quick ninja leg signaling and getting back in the correct staggered formation is ridiculous. It can be constant and is so dump looking rolling down the road (especially open highway). Nobody gives a if you are 2,3,4,5 just keep formation enjoy the turns and ride your ride. It really only effects the guys in the back which are usually the slower less expierenced riders. Which is a shame.......
I figured since your posts are usually pretty well thought-out, all good dude.

And yes I agree on that.
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Just, bored at work take no offense.....
Me too, I just kicked a guy turning a corner to make sure I signaled my turn in the hallway. Safety first.

Hand signal woulda been a high five. It's a shame.
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