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Old 03-27-2012, 12:46 PM   #41
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Stay in 1 get more comfortable drop some time then move up or in most cases a instructor will tell you and you won't have to ask.
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:24 PM   #42
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From my experiences in intermediate it's a wide gambit of speeds and for the most part that spectrum allows even the slowest rider in the group to be exposed to someone slightly faster.
This. It all depends on WHO is running in what group THAT day.
I should not have been in L1 on 3.19. I had NO ONE to chase around to get faster, and never had a chance to follow my instructor, he followed me for 1 lap before checkered. Vice versa, I know of at least one who did not want to be in L3 that day so they moved to L2 because it was essentially a CMRA practice day, and they were I quote "Getting burned" at under 2 minutes.

Some one in L1 could be running 2:39 because there was 40+ riders on the grid and couldn't get around the big packs that form up. When they get free for a lap or two they are running 2:15-2:25.
It is very hard to gauge that.

Like I said before having an instructor bump you up is great, but I've had instructors before that don't care if you bump up or not, they are out there for a "free" trackday. They'll say "Oh yeah you look fine, work on your BP" or something random.

Be consistently holding a good line, be smooth and predictable, and you will feel it when you need to move up. I knew it when I was able to pass up everyone in L1 without complaining about "being clogged up" and making 100% safe passes. My instructor followed me the LAST session of the day and happened to confirm that.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:36 PM   #43
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WOW! great conversation. I am signing up for L1 again this Saturday at TWS (Texas World Speedway). I will keep working on the form. I love TWS (Texas World Speedway) because there is so much room to stay out of trouble, you can really focus on what you need to focus on.
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Man, I rode L1 twice then moved up to L2 (self promoted) hold the line, don't mind being passed, ride 2m20sec. at T.W.S and it will be the best track day ever.
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I remember the frustration of being "held back" at my first track day. I bumped up at lunch from novice to intermediate. World changed that day.

Now that I have about 20 trackdays experience I am still kinda scared to run in advanced. At TWS (Texas World Speedway) this weekend in endurance I was running 2:05's on average and not really keeping up with anyone.

Bump up when you just can't take it anymore, and your instructor says you need to. 2:39's at TWS (Texas World Speedway) seems too slow for intermediate...you'll be a roadblock at anything over 2:30, I'd guess.
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ok... I want to ask as a matter of information and safety.. since I have never done a td, what level should I start in?
I'm not in a hurry to set world records, but I want to get to know the track during the 1st half of the day, and then set to comfortably and safely try to set my knee down through as many turns as possible
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This. It all depends on WHO is running in what group THAT day.
I should not have been in L1 on 3.19. I had NO ONE to chase around to get faster, and never had a chance to follow my instructor, he followed me for 1 lap before checkered. Vice versa, I know of at least one who did not want to be in L3 that day so they moved to L2 because it was essentially a CMRA practice day, and they were I quote "Getting burned" at under 2 minutes.

Some one in L1 could be running 2:39 because there was 40+ riders on the grid and couldn't get around the big packs that form up. When they get free for a lap or two they are running 2:15-2:25.
It is very hard to gauge that.

Like I said before having an instructor bump you up is great, but I've had instructors before that don't care if you bump up or not, they are out there for a "free" trackday. They'll say "Oh yeah you look fine, work on your BP" or something random.

Be consistently holding a good line, be smooth and predictable, and you will feel it when you need to move up. I knew it when I was able to pass up everyone in L1 without complaining about "being clogged up" and making 100% safe passes. My instructor followed me the LAST session of the day and happened to confirm that.
We must of been on different sides of the track that day. I was also in lvl one. I had a timer and I was doing low 2:20s with slower people holding me up. I passed everybody and not a single person passed me all day. I think I will do lvl 1, one more time to get my lines just right.
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I had my fastest lap this past weekend (intermediate) at 2:07 and i thought i was going fast (maybe it was faster when i was chasing the guy on the black honda 1000r but did not have a timer) now i see tons of people doing below 2 min. Dont think i will ever get that.

I think i could do a second or two better if i had a faster bike for the straight as mine tops up at 144 ish mph and only get her that fast as i am getting close to turn one.

But most my laps were slower as i was trying to pass packs of people, so i ca see why you guys say that you can benefit from riding in a higher level. In my case in level 3 no one would hold me back and i could ride all my laps at same pace and maybe even learn from the faster guys passing me.
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ok... I want to ask as a matter of information and safety.. since I have never done a td, what level should I start in?
I'm not in a hurry to set world records, but I want to get to know the track during the 1st half of the day, and then set to comfortably and safely try to set my knee down through as many turns as possible
Not that it doesn't happen, but I wouldn't count in putting a knee down the first day out. In fact, it's shouldn't even be your goal, it should just be something that happens because you have high corner speed and therefore high lean angle.

I'm somewhat of a freak when it comes to this, but I've done well over 30 trackdays, and have only touched a knee once. I regularly pass guys with their knee down. It's slightly frustrating, but I'm faster so it is what it is.
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