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Old 03-26-2012, 06:57 PM   #1
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Lap Times to Progress to Intermediate

What is an appropriae lap time to progress from a Novice to intermediate;
TWS (Texas World Speedway), MSR and GSS.

I have done about 7 track days in novice and although not the fastest, I do maintain a good pace. But is the pace fast enough to make the leap to intermediate. I am wondering if anyone has some guidance on appropriate lap time to progress from a Novice to intermediate
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Don't worry about lap times. Focus on having consistent lines and general smoothness. That is the advice I have always been given. I recently moved up and I have no clue what lap times I run on either of the tracks I've ridden at.
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If you know the line and are pretty consistent just make the jump. You will pick up speed faster in intermediate for sure. It helps running with people that are faster than you
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Don't worry about lap times so much. I won't reiterate what Rukus said because he is correct, but I will add that when I got moved up last year, I was able to be smooth, on the line, and make safe passes all day without getting "clogged up". Your speed naturally gets yourself through the traffic.

For me, there was just a point where there's no one left to follow to get faster in L1, and I knew it was time and confirmed by instructor that day.
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Do like I did, keep riding in the same level till the instructors kick you out... lol
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Kinda like what happens in the CMRA/Novice

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I have never timed myself on the track, but will take your advice to have an instructor give me an honest opinion. Although I am not the fastest, I can hold the race line pretty good. I do find I am frequently dealing with eratic drivers in Novice who I suspect can be a bigger risk than fast traffic in intermediate. I just wanted to make sure I didn't move from "avoiding targets" to "being a target".

Thanks everyone for your feedback.
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I have never timed myself on the track, but will take your advice to have an instructor give me an honest opinion. Although I am not the fastest, I can hold the race line pretty good. I do find I am frequently dealing with eratic drivers in Novice who I suspect can be a bigger risk than fast traffic in intermediate. I just wanted to make sure I didn't move from "avoiding targets" to "being a target".

Thanks everyone for your feedback.
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Believe it or not, this is actually good advice. Intermediate tends to be a VERY mixed bag. Yo have guys that should be in advanced, you have guys that run advanced-paced laps but are at the limit doing it, you have guys that belong in intermediate, and you have guys that self-promoted from novice but are at the limit trying to run intermediate lap times. Intermediate is the most crashed in group at trackdays.

Don't worry about bumping up until an instructor tells you. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter what group you're in. If I was forced to put a number on it, I'd say that being able to run a comfortable 2:39 (not a "holy that felt insanely fast, and I thought I was going to die 4 different times 2:39) at TWS (Texas World Speedway), you could probably bump to intermediate.
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If you've done 7 track days, have consistent lines comfortably and aren't getting passed all day long then move up to intermediate. There's varying skill levels and speeds in every level and that's just the way it's going to be, some people complain about slower riders or faster riders flying by but you're never going to find a class where everybody is running the same pace all day long. 10 seconds difference at MSRH is normal.

You'll up-level into the slow end of the next level and benefit from the faster riders around you. If you don't like it then move back down. Ain't gonna kill ya.
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Believe it or not, this is actually good advice. Intermediate tends to be a VERY mixed bag. Yo have guys that should be in advanced, you have guys that run advanced-paced laps but are at the limit doing it, you have guys that belong in intermediate, and you have guys that self-promoted from novice but are at the limit trying to run intermediate lap times. Intermediate is the most crashed in group at trackdays.

Don't worry about bumping up until an instructor tells you. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter what group you're in. If I was forced to put a number on it, I'd say that being able to run a comfortable 2:39 (not a "holy that felt insanely fast, and I thought I was going to die 4 different times 2:39) at TWS (Texas World Speedway), you could probably bump to intermediate.
I agree 100%

It also depends on who signs up for what group that day. Sometimes you have L2 guys that just wanna ride with their buddies in L1. Sometimes you'll see L3 guys that don't wanna play with the CMRA racers and just want to have fun in L2.

MSRH for example you'll have guys running 1:50-2:35 in L2. That's a big difference in closing speeds.
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It also depends on who signs up for what group that day. Sometimes you have L2 guys that just wanna ride with their buddies in L1. Sometimes you'll see L3 guys that don't wanna play with the CMRA racers and just want to have fun in L2.

MSRH for example you'll have guys running 1:50-2:35 in L2. That's a big difference in closing speeds.
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