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Old 03-15-2012, 06:10 PM   #1
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So I have a very real and serious question regarding track edicate.

Recently I attended my first track day and rode in Level 1. I rode less than perfectly as I was learning the track and mistakes were made. I admittedly "caused" another rider to run into the grass due to brake checking in the corner as I missed the line coming through the launch. I admit complete fault in tipping in late and missing my window. Several members here have condemned my choice to stay on the track when I botched the line by scrubbing my speed and attempting to correct my line.

Since certain major promoters of RideSmart have condemned my actions here which I admit were a noobie mistake but since I am there to learn to be a better rider and I see no problem making a mistake if you learn from it.

What is the official word on what action you take when a mistake is made. Do you accept a crash in a hope to spare the riders that may or may not be behind you or do you take the appropriate measures to prevent a crash and preserve your safety.

I am aware everyone is going to flame me and troll this thread so I am prepared to say those people from the get go, but to those who will take this seriously and give me a straight answer I would appreciate it.

I am not prepared to accept a crash if there is something that I can do to stop it and if that is what is expected when a mistake is made then I have no business on the track.

Thank you for your insight.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:12 PM   #2
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Im hoping to hit the track soon, will keep and eye on this thread.
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If I ever do a trackday, I'd like to know this too...
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I was always told rider behind you is responsible for maintaining distance, but it is level 1 and there's alot of inexperience. Accidents are bound to happen.

It's ALWAYS going to be a gray area regarding accidents on the track.

If you want actual analysis did you scrub speed and adjust a tighter line or did you STOP and SWERVE back into the track? To me there is a difference there.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:15 PM   #5
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Remember when you ask opinion on a public board, you're gonna get a little bit of everything.
No sense in taking it personally.

And it's ”etiquette”....

(Don't take that personally either lol)
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Remember when you ask opinion on a public board, you're gonna get a little bit of everything.
No sense in taking it personally.

And it's ”etiquette”....
Yeah thanks for the spelling lesson. I knew my spelling was wrong but didn't take the time to look it up.

In my mind I simply hit the brakes and moved further into the inside closer to the curb. I pretty much did straight line braking as I was headed directly into the curtain coming over the launch. However I can't account for that exactly and only the individual behind me could provide what he viewed from his vantage point.

It wasn't so much taking it personal as a legitimate curiosity as I do not act out of what is expected and do not have business at the track if I am not prepared to follow the appropriate protocols.
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First who has condemned it? Probably noobs themselves. You only have to worry about yourself and what is in front of you in Level 1. If you park it in the turns and hold people up who gives a ...your learning and in Level 1 where there are no passing in turns. If someone was up your and unable to control thier bike because they were to close to you ...NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

I see a real influx of new track riders on this forum that all are talking about going fast,dragging knee and bumping up levels after like 3 track days when they have not grasp the concept of riding on a track, being smooth or passing in turns

I dont see anything you did wrong that day....keep at it and dont worry about the haters
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happens. Level one student shouldn't be held to a very high standard... they are level 1 after all.

Fudge promoters... Just learn from your mistakes and try not to repeat them. I've seen some stupid stupid things on the track... not in level 1 either. Have fun and fudge the haters.
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spelled as etiquette.

The track is a learning ground. The people are in Novice/Level 1 for a reason and that is to learn the track and as well as to perfect their riding skills. The instructors tell you the rules on who has the right of way and when you can pass. A lot of people love pin it on the straights and grab and handful of brake coming to turns on the skreets and on the track (seen from riding and corner working).

You ride your own ride when you're on the track. The people behind you have to use their good judgement to know when to pass or how much following distance they should give. If they choose to follow too close and go off the track because of that choice than it's shame on them. It's pretty much like driving a car on the street. If you're following too close, the car in front slams on the brakes for whatever reason, the person who's following too close is at fault for most cases.

If it's too congested and a train is forming at the turns, you can:
1. wait to pass on the straights.
2. wait to pit in and let the congestion clear up.
3. slow down and let everyone pass if it's safe to do so (like the track is wide enough and most likely on the straights). Just get out of the exit line.
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Im hoping to hit the track soon, will keep and eye on this thread.
I as well. Thanks for the post.
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Another thing, if you find yourself really slowing people up, don't try and be the first bunch out to get on the track. Hang back towards the back.

DON'T FORGET TO ASK THE INSTRUCTORS FOR ADVICE! I see a lot of folks scared to ask the instructors for help because of the "peer pressure" in riding on the track. They're there to help.
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I didnt read the whole thing so excuse me if its been said but it is the person behind you who has the responsibility to avoid you. I as a rider be it noob or experienced am responsible for giving you enough room and managing my ride such that if you make a mistake it doesnt cause me to go down. This becomes more relevant in level 1 where half of the grid is new and learning. That is why everyone signs a waiver that they accept responsibility for being on the track.
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Another thing, if you find yourself really slowing people up, don't try and be the first bunch out to get on the track. Hang back towards the back.

DON'T FORGET TO ASK THE INSTRUCTORS FOR ADVICE! I see a lot of folks scared to ask the instructors for help because of the "peer pressure" in riding on the track. They're there to help.
That is not the case with me. I asked several times for tips from instructors both days... You corner worked while WheelieDave followed me for two sessions...

I expected being at the track to help boost my confidence but honestly at the end of those two days.. I felt like I learned alot but my confidence was/is shot. I have ridden once since the track and the fact that I feel as if I did not improve makes me hesitate. By the end of my second day I was blowing more and more corners. I set a goal for myself to do 6 track days by the end of the year before my first track day... that changed to doing 2 a month for the rest of the year when possible, now I am questioning riding at all.

It is irresponsible for me to continue riding track or street if I am not improving because I am putting myself and others in danger.
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this is what track is for...learning.

better you did this here than on some Farm road where major damage could be done.

yes you made a mistake.. so what, we all have. keep on tracking that SV or yours and and enjoy your time SAFELY.

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That is not the case with me. I asked several times for tips from instructors both days... You corner worked while WheelieDave followed me for two sessions...

I expected being at the track to help boost my confidence but honestly at the end of those two days.. I felt like I learned alot but my confidence was/is shot. I have ridden once since the track and the fact that I feel as if I did not improve makes me hesitate. By the end of my second day I was blowing more and more corners. I set a goal for myself to do 6 track days by the end of the year before my first track day... that changed to doing 2 a month for the rest of the year when possible, now I am questioning riding at all.

It is irresponsible for me to continue riding track or street if I am not improving because I am putting myself and others in danger.
Dude have you read any of the posts?

Dont let the haters get to you...take it slow and actually learning something takes time....Ride your own ride and have fun. If you blowing corners then slow it down and keep at it. You will be faster in the long run with a lot less crashes than someone trying to break lap records on thier first season out there
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There's lots of factors out there...

Were you going the wrong way on the track? Why was he so close that he couldn't slow down at the same rate that you were - and off the line? I can only imagine that he had to decide to pass you at some point and I can't really imagine too many scenarios that make this your problem. Being off line is your fault but passing you is his responsibility - which he was doing, unless you were going backwards. There are no rear view mirrors on the track, you are responsible for what is in front of you whether they are wrecking or not.

Either way, track etiquette is basically common sense but you can't hesitate to consider it and that's one of the reasons that level 1 is all over the place. There's a lot to take in for newcomers and not too much consistency in level 1 compared to level 2 and 3, new riders are thinking about all the stuff that they just learned in class and still trying to process and apply it all, not much is coming naturally. It's certainly a factor.

Generally speaking the rule is if you're doing something then stick to it - no erratic, unpredictable actions. Decide what you're going to do and do it. Do not change your mind. Not only is this etiquette but it applies to safe riding and the mental commitment to your actions and choices that faster riding requires you to have.

Going off the track does not mean wrecking and you shouldn't deliberately wreck if you don't have to.
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Its everyones responsibility to look after THEMSELVES on the track.

Guy goes in hot and crashes into me? Im not asking him for a dime to repair my bike... why? Because forbid, I might make a mistake and do the same. No one is perfect.

The people behind you are responsible for making a clean pass and riding their own ride. I wasnt there and dont know all the details, but it sounds like they person behind you was following too close for a level 1 session.
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Dude have you read any of the posts?

Dont let the haters get to you...take it slow and actually learning something takes time....Ride your own ride and have fun. If you blowing corners then slow it down and keep at it. You will be faster in the long run with a lot less crashes than someone trying to break lap records on thier first season out there
Its not the haters getting to me. I am typically overly critical of myself when I make mistakes in anything I do. It is a personality flaw I openly admit.

Thanks for the advice guys.
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Seriously dude, its level 1, if they're behind you on the inside of a turn it's your line. Once you hit the turn in point who evers front wheel is ahead has the line. If they are not experienced enough to control their bike around you that's their problem for trying stuff you in a turn in level 1.
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