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Old 03-15-2012, 11:02 AM   #1
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Learning to Ride on a Chopper

A buddy of mine has never ridden and he's thinking of getting a chopper as his first bike. How hard are these long bikes to ride? I guess it would hard to do some of the low speed turn manuevers in the MSF course on a bike that long.

Not everyone has the pleasure of learning to ride on an R6 so I did so I'd like some input here to give him.

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A buddy of mine has never ridden and he's thinking of getting a chopper as his first bike. How hard are these long bikes to ride? I guess it would hard to do some of the low speed turn manuevers in the MSF course on a bike that long.

Not everyone has the pleasure of learning to ride on an R6 so I did so I'd like some input here to give him.

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Never ridden and he wants an overpowered, under braked, poor handling, overpriced piece of garage jewelry as his first bike?

Talk him out of it - seriously.

Those pieces of are 5-mile bikes at best. They're meant to go to the bar and back screaming "Look at me! I have a little !" the whole way.

Yes, the long rake combined with the ginormous rear tire makes them a stone to turn. Brakes are there mainly to meet legal requirements, and no, they don't work that well. Massive rear weight bias and a design which virtually asks to fall over if you turn the bar at all tends to lead to a bike that doesn't exactly stop on a dime. It would not be just difficult to complete the MSF course on it - it would be impossible. The bike cannot physically make some of the turns.

He'd almost be better off with a Hayabusa or ZX14R as his first bike..


If you don't like him, its an excellent bike for him. Tell him to make sure he wears shorts, flip flops, a backwards ball cap and a Corona wife-beater. If you want to keep him around, recommend virtually ANYTHING else.
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Never ridden and he wants an overpowered, under braked, poor handling, overpriced piece of garage jewelry as his first bike?

Talk him out of it - seriously.

Those pieces of are 5-mile bikes at best. They're meant to go to the bar and back screaming "Look at me! I have a little !" the whole way.

Yes, the long rake combined with the ginormous rear tire makes them a stone to turn. Brakes are there mainly to meet legal requirements, and no, they don't work that well. Massive rear weight bias and a design which virtually asks to fall over if you turn the bar at all tends to lead to a bike that doesn't exactly stop on a dime. It would not be just difficult to complete the MSF course on it - it would be impossible. The bike cannot physically make some of the turns.

He'd almost be better off with a Hayabusa or ZX14R as his first bike..


If you don't like him, its an excellent bike for him. Tell him to make sure he wears shorts, flip flops, a backwards ball cap and a Corona wife-beater. If you want to keep him around, recommend virtually ANYTHING else.
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Never ridden and he wants an overpowered, under braked, poor handling, overpriced piece of garage jewelry as his first bike?
Don't you ride a harley?

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Talk him out of it - seriously.
LOL, I have on first hand knowledge with that type of bike so I was hoping for some feedback from someone that knows!
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Never ridden and he wants an overpowered, under braked, poor handling, overpriced piece of garage jewelry as his first bike?

Talk him out of it - seriously.

Those pieces of are 5-mile bikes at best. They're meant to go to the bar and back screaming "Look at me! I have a little !" the whole way.

Yes, the long rake combined with the ginormous rear tire makes them a stone to turn. Brakes are there mainly to meet legal requirements, and no, they don't work that well. Massive rear weight bias and a design which virtually asks to fall over if you turn the bar at all tends to lead to a bike that doesn't exactly stop on a dime. It would not be just difficult to complete the MSF course on it - it would be impossible. The bike cannot physically make some of the turns.

He'd almost be better off with a Hayabusa or ZX14R as his first bike..


If you don't like him, its an excellent bike for him. Tell him to make sure he wears shorts, flip flops, a backwards ball cap and a Corona wife-beater. If you want to keep him around, recommend virtually ANYTHING else.
^This EXACTLY! Fairly unusual bike to ride even with experience. But he would be the talk of the class, actually I think even the MSF instructors would either laugh or just plain turn him down.
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Never ridden and he wants an overpowered, under braked, poor handling, overpriced piece of garage jewelry as his first bike?

Talk him out of it - seriously.

Those pieces of are 5-mile bikes at best. They're meant to go to the bar and back screaming "Look at me! I have a little !" the whole way.

Yes, the long rake combined with the ginormous rear tire makes them a stone to turn. Brakes are there mainly to meet legal requirements, and no, they don't work that well. Massive rear weight bias and a design which virtually asks to fall over if you turn the bar at all tends to lead to a bike that doesn't exactly stop on a dime. It would not be just difficult to complete the MSF course on it - it would be impossible. The bike cannot physically make some of the turns.

He'd almost be better off with a Hayabusa or ZX14R as his first bike..


If you don't like him, its an excellent bike for him. Tell him to make sure he wears shorts, flip flops, a backwards ball cap and a Corona wife-beater. If you want to keep him around, recommend virtually ANYTHING else.

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Don't you ride a harley?
Your talking about a chopper, not a cruiser.
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oh wow. i honestly cant think of a worse bike to learn to ride on. maybe he should try to get the tron light cycle, or the dodge tomahawk.
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Your talking about a chopper, not a cruiser.
LOL, I was just insinuating that harleys are overpowered, under braked, poor handling, overpriced piece of garage jewelry. I actually kinda like street glides and whatever is in his avatar isn't bad looking.
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there is a world of difference in that bike and a stock set up harley...
that bike is a straight line bike... it has all that is wrong with bikes rolled up in one package...it is all about a "look" that someone is trying to achieve and has nothing to do with anything that makes sense...if you had 12 to 15 bikes and wanted a corner bar hopper, that would be fine.. other wise... stay away...
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He did just confirm that he's using the bike provided by the MSF course, so using a chopper in the course isn't happening.
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^This EXACTLY! Fairly unusual bike to ride even with experience. But he would be the talk of the class, actually I think even the MSF instructors would either laugh or just plain turn him down.
as long as it passes their criteria, i'm pretty they have to allow him to use it, they may not recommend it, but thats his choice

criteria being basically street legal (pass inspection), safe, and have ins.
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He did just confirm that he's using the bike provided by the MSF course, so using a chopper in the course isn't happening.
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He did just confirm that he's using the bike provided by the MSF course, so using a chopper in the course isn't happening.
that at least is a no brainer...
if the guys is actually going to buy that as a first bike and intends to ride it rather than trailer it to sonic to impress the 13 year olds... I will go in with you on a life insurance policy on him...
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I'm cracking up and he's following this thread as well.

I don't know what he'd use the bike for but he works offshore or out of the country alot so he probably wouldn't commute (unless he could fly it to venezuela).
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I'm cracking up and he's following this thread as well.

I don't know what he'd use the bike for but he works offshore or out of the country alot so he probably wouldn't commute (unless he could fly it to venezuela).
good. hopefully he'll heed the advice given and not be stubborn about. choppers are more of a piece of art than they are an actual motorcycle, and not practical at all. but, to each their own.
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