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Old 03-15-2012, 01:20 PM   #41
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:23 PM   #42
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But he doesn't fit the criteria.. He's a skinny white guy.
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IMO, kawi 636 is nice, when it works...dunno if I just got a deal, but my 06 636 is completely turning me off to kawi.

I would agree with this...sv, or 650r if you want to go up.

I would have to agree with him on this one...

First parade lap you went down on the 250, first trackday you went down and possibly totalled it...

I say you get back on a 250 and get more seat time before moving up to a 600+...
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The flaming has begun.... better get ya flamesuit out bra... its gonna be a hot one...
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The flaming has begun.... better get ya flamesuit out bra... its gonna be a hot one...
He already knows better. It was three months ago that everyone was patting him on the back for being a responsible new rider.
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I am not going to flame him for having been down twice... especially considering the circumstances of both meetings with the pavement...
I will simply say that I think he needs more seat time on the 250 before moving up in size...I think he will be a fine rider, and I think he will get where ever he wants to be...I just think that right now the 250 is where he needs to be.... with lots more seat time and track time...he has the right attitude... been down twice and looking for more...
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He already knows better. It was three months ago that everyone was patting him on the back for being a responsible new rider.
Eh. He's young and spontaneous.. and probably was like.. ya know I was already planning on trading up eventually why spend money on the same bike. Why don't I just save the money from the extra step and get something else.

Semi viable point of view if you exclude certain facts. Ultimately the decision is up to him and whether he deserves the flaming or not... it would have happened. That is the fuel that drives the 2 wheels of internet dynamics.

That being said if he moves up at all it should be to a Ninja 650, Ninja 500, SV650, or something close to the same power output as those.
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I will not flame him because as has been said both of his meetings with the pavement have been on the track, and not from irresponsible street riding... maybe he pushed it a little over his head... but he was at the right place trying...
'I had 2 low sides at the track practicing saturday before last...so happens...so if y'all want to flame someone for going down at the track. try my 61 year old on for size...
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Geez, you guys are right. What kind of lays down their first bike twice

I'm still the most responsible new rider I know. The only two times I've ever been down where at the track, where you all claim is, "the best place to go down". And as soon as I'm back on two wheels, I'll be back on the track, albeit a little bit slower, honing skills and learning from mistakes. When a trackday instructor goes down, does that mean they need to sell their 600/1000SS and get a 250, since they obviously aren't ready for that kind of power?

Thayleal is correct, my bike was totaled and I though to myself, after 3500+ miles of riding, I could do worse things than upgrade to a bigger bike.

If you think I'm upgrading way too soon, I understand that. And can see why you'd think so. But I refuse to be made out as an irresponsible rider. ANYONE I've ever ridden with can vouch for my cautious riding behavior.

That being said, I love all y'all, and my flame suit is on and fastened, so come on. Flame me some more, and I'll see you at the next noob ride/M&G once I'm back on two wheels.

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You went down because you weren't riding correctly... You can't really say the same for an instructor. They went down and they know why they went down and can approach the same situation with corrections. 3500 miles isn't alot, unless all those were track miles. They're a lot of people who ride a million miles but still can't corner fast/correctly. Not to toot my own horn, but I feel i'm faster than the majority of riders in level one but still have the want and need to improve myself on my 250. Don't mean to sound repetetive, but learn the right cornering skills on a slower bike before jumping up. If you can't compete with another bike and rider in your class, then what what makes you think you'll do better with a bigger one? If you go with a bigger cc bike I think you're hurting yourself in the long run.
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You went down because you weren't riding correctly... You can't really say the same for an instructor. They went down and they know why they went down and can approach the same situation with corrections. 3500 miles isn't alot, unless all those were track miles. They're a lot of people who ride a million miles but still can't corner fast/correctly. Not to toot my own horn, but I feel i'm faster than the majority of riders in level one but still have the want and need to improve myself on my 250. Don't mean to sound repetetive, but learn the right cornering skills on a slower bike before jumping up. If you can't compete with another bike and rider in your class, then what what makes you think you'll do better with a bigger one? If you go with a bigger cc bike I think you're hurting yourself in the long run.
Not hard to be better than me... just sayin...
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Geez, you guys are right. What kind of lays down their first bike twice

I'm still the most responsible new rider I know. The only two times I've ever been down where at the track, where you all claim is, "the best place to go down". And as soon as I'm back on two wheels, I'll be back on the track, albeit a little bit slower, honing skills and learning from mistakes. When a trackday instructor goes down, does that mean they need to sell their 600/1000SS and get a 250, since they obviously aren't ready for that kind of power?

Thayleal is correct, my bike was totaled and I though to myself, after 3500+ miles of riding, I could do worse things than upgrade to a bigger bike.

If you think I'm upgrading way too soon, I understand that. And can see why you'd think so. But I refuse to be made out as an irresponsible rider. ANYONE I've ever ridden with can vouch for my cautious riding behavior.

That being said, I love all y'all, and my flame suit is on and fastened, so come on. Flame me some more, and I'll see you at the next noob ride/M&G once I'm back on two wheels.
My flaming is less: OMG you won't be able to handle it/will highside within minutes of ownership; rather it is more: you want to spend a shitload of money for a bike that will be a trackday . That insurance quote was massive, used bike massive. Nothing wrong with riding hard on the track and taking a few lumps, but it just doesn't make sense to toss out more money than you have to for the same pleasure.

If you want an SS and a track and are looking in the 3-4k range with 4k allotted for insurance, buy two used bikes and get liability on both. Take the cheaper one to the track and keep the nicer one for the forest. Or get one used bike and keep a lot of cash in your pocket.
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Essentially what I did... Bought a nicer SV to ride on the street.... then it turned out my beat up/cheapo track bound one is the only one I ever ride... so maybe there is wisdom in getting a used bike.
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True, but you caused wrecks... you could go backwards. If smart shark forgets all this advice, you should get his 250 and learn more.
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on track days I am not trying to be faster than anybody... and the only one I am trying to be better than is me....I pick something to work on and work on that....it may be a particular corner... on a bad day it may be relocating the basic line...trackdays for me are all about me, not about being faster....faster will come with getting what I want done, done...
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Statistically you are crashing 4x per year and every 1700 miles at the rate you are going. I wouldn't go bigger just yet.
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My flaming is less: OMG you won't be able to handle it/will highside within minutes of ownership; rather it is more: you want to spend a shitload of money for a bike that will be a trackday . That insurance quote was massive, used bike massive. Nothing wrong with riding hard on the track and taking a few lumps, but it just doesn't make sense to toss out more money than you have to for the same pleasure.

If you want an SS and a track and are looking in the 3-4k range with 4k allotted for insurance, buy two used bikes and get liability on both. Take the cheaper one to the track and keep the nicer one for the forest. Or get one used bike and keep a lot of cash in your pocket.
Pretty much...

Though I still say to stay with the 250 if possible to buy it back.
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You went down because you weren't riding correctly... You can't really say the same for an instructor. They went down and they know why they went down and can approach the same situation with corrections. 3500 miles isn't alot, unless all those were track miles. They're a lot of people who ride a million miles but still can't corner fast/correctly. Not to toot my own horn, but I feel i'm faster than the majority of riders in level one but still have the want and need to improve myself on my 250. Don't mean to sound repetetive, but learn the right cornering skills on a slower bike before jumping up. If you can't compete with another bike and rider in your class, then what what makes you think you'll do better with a bigger one? If you go with a bigger cc bike I think you're hurting yourself in the long run.
Am I not capable of approaching the same situation with corrections? I understand what y'all are saying. But I don't think it will hurt to upgrade. I don't plan on riding any faster right now... But someday, I will. And here, I have an opportunity to to upgrade with a very small financial loss, if any. Why pass up that opportunity?
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