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Old 03-01-2012, 01:31 PM   #21
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The guy who wrote this is ridiculous. He makes some decent points, but doesn't know how to properly make said points without sounding like a douche.

Saying, "No successful motorcycle racer in the world started riding on a 600cc-class race bike." is just a blanket statement without proof. Where's the survey or questionnaire. I want to see this dude's research because I'm sure there is none.

I started on my cbr600rr and I'm fine. I'm not going to be "the next greatest racer" but I'm not holding anyone up on the streets and got moved to level 2 on my first track day... how's that for improving skills while starting on a 600? I'm not looking for any pats on the back, I just want this dude to stfu and get off his high horse.

You are an exception and not the rule though....

However, I'm sure this was made after some kind of incident where the OP was holding some angst. The intent is right though.
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The guy who wrote this is ridiculous. He makes some decent points, but doesn't know how to properly make said points without sounding like a douche.

Saying, "No successful motorcycle racer in the world started riding on a 600cc-class race bike." is just a blanket statement without proof. Where's the survey or questionnaire. I want to see this dude's research because I'm sure there is none.

I started on my cbr600rr and I'm fine. I'm not going to be "the next greatest racer" but I'm not holding anyone up on the streets and got moved to level 2 on my first track day... how's that for improving skills while starting on a 600? I'm not looking for any pats on the back, I just want this dude to stfu and get off his high horse.


Shhh! The MEN are TALKING!

On the real though very rarely are blanket statements completely accurate but there is some underlying wisdom in turning a new rider loose with a 600cc SuperSport. Lets look at it from a purely demographics standpoint.

I would say the majority of new riders out there are going to be Males in there 20s. That being said males in their 20s care about stuff like fast cars, fast women and cheap drinks and lets face theres a whole lot of douchers out there that get a bike to satisfy two of the three. They want to go fast and look cool so they can bang a bunch of chicks. Everyone can get I said this ( blanket statements remember). Younger guys are prone to thinking with their dicks and making poor decisions when a female of interest is involved.. and frankly there is always a female of interest whether she is standing there or not.

That being said they get a little heavy handed with the throttle thinking about all the panty dropping they are gonna be doing on their bike and sometimes get a little carried away. A little carried away leads to a multitude of various mistakes and miscalculations and can ultimately lead to death. The same guys could possibly have missed out on those mistakes and miscalculations causing them a world of hurt with a little less exciting bike to learn on until they get over the need for the "cool factor" to dictate their ride. When they have nothing to prove but that they are having fun on two wheels riding their ride.

I apologize to all the males who get their egos hurt by this post... but lets face it... we have all been in this situation... we have all done it... and lucky for us ... we are still here.
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lol, at least i LEARN from the experiences...



besides, we all know i ride like a pus... er i mean in my comfort zone waaaaaaay in the back.
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besides, we all know i ride like a pus... er i mean in my comfort zone waaaaaaay in the back.
lmao same here haha!
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besides, we all know i ride like a pus... er i mean in my comfort zone waaaaaaay in the back.
Yeah that Yami stays where it belongs... behind the Suzuki
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The guy who wrote this is ridiculous. He makes some decent points, but doesn't know how to properly make said points without sounding like a douche.

Saying, "No successful motorcycle racer in the world started riding on a 600cc-class race bike." is just a blanket statement without proof. Where's the survey or questionnaire. I want to see this dude's research because I'm sure there is none.

I started on my cbr600rr and I'm fine. I'm not going to be "the next greatest racer" but I'm not holding anyone up on the streets and got moved to level 2 on my first track day... how's that for improving skills while starting on a 600? I'm not looking for any pats on the back, I just want this dude to stfu and get off his high horse.

most MOTO GP racers started on Mini;s, 50cc's. same w/ F1 drivers----> go karts

only Biaggi started late on a big cc bike, so his point is very solid just cuz you agree doesn't mean he's wrong.

your fine is relative, see the part about "my friends made it" who knows how "good" you'd be if you had started smaller

you'd prob. be a faster rider if you stepped down cc ands learned to carry speed vs HP thru the corners, just lke go karts
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Two years ago I have never thrown a leg over a motorcycle. In 2010 I took the MSF course and rode a harley sportster for about three months.
In those three months the only thing I learned was how to counter street.

uh huh, knowing how to counter street is invaluable for sure.
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Two years ago I have never thrown a leg over a motorcycle. In 2010 I took the MSF course and rode a harley sportster for about three months. In those three months the only thing I learned was how to counter street. It wasn't until I purchased my R6 that my skill as a rider really started to improve. I haven't ridden any other bike besides super sport bikes and a harley sportster. If you want to be a really good rider as far as control, a cruiser won't cut it. I say stay away from cruisers if you plan to take your skill to the next level.
No offense, but as you said in your own words...you've got only 2 years. Do you have any videos of you doing the agility courses/contests on a cruiser?

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The guy who wrote this is ridiculous. He makes some decent points, but doesn't know how to properly make said points without sounding like a douche.

Saying, "No successful motorcycle racer in the world started riding on a 600cc-class race bike." is just a blanket statement without proof. Where's the survey or questionnaire. I want to see this dude's research because I'm sure there is none.

I started on my cbr600rr and I'm fine. I'm not going to be "the next greatest racer" but I'm not holding anyone up on the streets and got moved to level 2 on my first track day... how's that for improving skills while starting on a 600? I'm not looking for any pats on the back, I just want this dude to stfu and get off his high horse.
You take offense to it, because you want to...you allow yourself too. You got to level to on your first track day, not gonna try to be mean...but big deal. The track is a different animal from the street... it's good your going to the track, but the danger there is letting the track and your performance there go to your head when your on the street.
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Thayleal, I wasn't the only naysayer, and the people quoting my post make valid points as well. It's perspective that's key.

My point was that I don't like blanket statements like those in the article.

To my defense... I started tracking cars in 2006. I already had an idea about proper line, carrying speed into turns, and throttle control before I ever threw a leg over a motorcycle. While a car definitely isn't the same, the information applies.

Ulric, I do not take offense to the article, I simply disagree and think it's ridiculous that some people will believe everything they read as if it's valid. He makes blanket statements, doesn't back up his comments and comes off as a holier than thou type persona IMO.

Now what I do take offense to, is you pretending to know how I ride and how I think. Making a statement such as, "The track is a different animal from the street... it's good your going to the track, but the danger there is letting the track and your performance there go to your head when your on the street." isn't very fair if you haven't ever ridden with me or seen me ride, let alone ever met me. Sure the danger COULD be there if that is how you think, but that is not how I think, nor how I ride.

RacerX, You stated, "only Biaggi started late on a big cc bike, so his point is very solid just cuz you agree doesn't mean he's wrong."
So you were able to mention one rider who did start off later on a larger bike. Doesn't that mean his blanket statement is then invalid? All becomes invalid even if there is one... that's my only point.

Maybe predicate logic has gotten to my head
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Now what I do take offense to, is you pretending to know how I ride and how I think. Making a statement such as, "The track is a different animal from the street... it's good your going to the track, but the danger there is letting the track and your performance there go to your head when your on the street." isn't very fair if you haven't ever ridden with me or seen me ride, let alone ever met me. Sure the danger COULD be there if that is how you think, but that is not how I think, nor how I ride.
Consider...you get irked over blanket statements in an old article, ignoring that it's applied to a huge target/audience... you have no idea what the editor required to be cut and apparently no thought on what it would take to address all the stupid "one offs".

I don't have to know you or how you ride to make a statment of something that is a possibility...but your response displays your own ignorance and lack of experience.
I can go further and point out that just as I don't know you and yours, you don't know me and myne...rather than getting upset, maybe you'd be better served by just listening.
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Ahh screw this. I'm selling my 954 and buying an SV650. I'm also going to pull a plug out of it, learn on a 1 cylinder SV, and 3 years after all that, I'm going to put the plug back in. Maybe just maybe, after 2 more years of commuting in the SV, then I'll move up to a CBR600RR, and then after 3 years of riding that, I'll get another 954. Yep.
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I can go further and point out that just as I don't know you and yours, you don't know me and myne...rather than getting upset, maybe you'd be better served by just listening.
No, I don't know you and yours, but I didn't make any claims about you either. I even stated that the people quoting me had some good points as well.

What kind of forum would this be if everyone just listened? Let alone the world... what is this, communism?
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