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Old 02-28-2012, 12:07 PM   #41
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Perhaps I wasn't clear.

At the MotoGP level I see both reasons as applicable in explaining the lack of female riders.


Less women are involved in the sport than men. You start with a significantly smaller percentage of which an even smaller percentage will demonstrate the talent necessary to a future GP rider.

Combine that with that female rider needing to be, in my opinion, significantly more talented than her male counterparts to compete at the same level thanks to the inherent disadvantages in physique.
Yeah, I get that there's a smaller pool to draw from, but still, if you made every female on earth learn to race from an early age they would still be at a disadvantage in MotoGP/WSBK
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:11 PM   #42
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Yeah, I get that there's a smaller pool to draw from, but still, if you made every female on earth learn to race from an early age they would still be at a disadvantage in MotoGP/WSBK
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Combine that with that female rider needing to be, in my opinion, significantly more talented than her male counterparts to compete at the same level thanks to the inherent disadvantages in physique.
Both points made about representation and comparative physical capabilities are valid. There is no contradiction.
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i don't see how this relates to Bevo's post at all.
It relates because Bevo's assertions are based off of the physical differences, on average, between women and men. Just because the average women is at a deficit physically doesn't mean that an abnormal women would be. Competing in motogp/wsbk means being above average, being abnormal. There are a lot of extremely well-trained and talented riders in moto3, moto2, or any other lesser racing series. Most of those riders are there because of training and talent. They aren't abnormal though, they aren't extraordinary. They aren't the next Stoner or Rossi.

A woman could compete there, but she would either need better reflexes than a motogp rider (Kibitzer's take) or would need to be as physically capable as a male motogp rider. Because women are vastly underrepresented in lower levels of motorcycle racing, the chance of a woman meeting those characteristics riding motorcycles at all is vanishingly slim.
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It relates because Bevo's assertions are based off of the physical differences, on average, between women and men. Just because the average women is at a deficit physically doesn't mean that an abnormal women wouldn't be. Competing in motogp/wsbk means being above average, being abnormal. There are a lot of extremely well-trained and talented riders in moto3, moto2, or any other lesser racing series. Most of those riders are there because of training and talent. They aren't abnormal though, they aren't extraordinary. They aren't the next Stoner or Rossi.

A woman could compete there, but she would either need better reflexes than a motogp rider (Kibitzer's take) or would need to be as physically capable as a male motogp rider. Because women are vastly underrepresented in lower levels of motorcycle racing, the chance of a woman meeting those characteristics riding motorcycles at all is vanishingly slim.
Uh, the topic is MotoGP/WSBK
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It relates because Bevo's assertions are based off of the physical differences, on average, between women and men. Just because the average women is at a deficit physically doesn't mean that an abnormal women would be. Competing in motogp/wsbk means being above average, being abnormal. There are a lot of extremely well-trained and talented riders in moto3, moto2, or any other lesser racing series. Most of those riders are there because of training and talent. They aren't abnormal though, they aren't extraordinary. They aren't the next Stoner or Rossi.

A woman could compete there, but she would either need better reflexes than a motogp rider (Kibitzer's take) or would need to be as physically capable as a male motogp rider. Because women are vastly underrepresented in lower levels of motorcycle racing, the chance of a woman meeting those characteristics riding motorcycles at all is vanishingly slim.
As a case example to counteract your assertions: I have a friend that played for one of the best club soccer teams in the Houston area in High school. This was a team that was good for Houston, but NOT competitive on even a national level for that age group. He actually had the pleasure of a scrimmage against the US Women's national team. At that time, they were world champions. So you have the utmost extraordinary women playing against slightly-better-than-ordinary guys with ~3 years less experience.


The high school team manhandled the national team.





Conclusion: just because you think that at some level of extraordinary that a woman MIGHT be able to close the gap doesn't mean you're even in the ballpark. Barring underrepresentation (which is an issue) there are physical limitations that no amount of wishful grandeur can concur between the sexes.
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the camera looking up the riders will be much more interesting
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So the next question is how much the physical strength and endurance differences between the sexes play a deciding role in motorcycle racing?

I would consider the physical exertion of an athlete playing soccer to be higher than one racing a motorcycle. The differences in physical strength would be exacerbated on a soccer field where that strength is all that carries the player. GP, or any competitive road race on a motorcycle, is so much more than physical strength.

I think it makes a difference, just not the absolute and defining one.
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So the next question is how much the physical strength and endurance differences between the sexes play a deciding role in motorcycle racing?

I would consider the physical exertion of an athlete playing soccer to be higher than one racing a motorcycle. The differences in physical strength would be exacerbated on a soccer field where that strength is all that carries the player. GP, or any competitive road race on a motorcycle, is so much more than physical strength.

I think it makes a difference, just not the absolute and defining one.
One word: Pedrosa.
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another word: swordfish
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I just googled him, 112 lbs
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I just googled him, 112 lbs
Here is a picture of him right before he joined Honda.

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There is a girl racing in moto2 her name is elena rosell
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