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Old 02-28-2012, 09:51 AM   #21
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Have you done a trackday yet?
I haven't, but high level racing seems to favor lean and wiry builds. Women regularly achieve a slim and muscular physique. It isn't like we are talking about football or basketball players here: you don't need to be 175+ pounds of muscle or over 6' to race.
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but high level racing seems to favor lean and wiry builds.
Sure it does, but pound for pound males are stronger and quicker and any slight advantage over another rider translates into seconds on the track. Can women ride MotoGP/WSBK bikes? Sure they can. Could they stand on the podium with men? Highly doubtful.
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I haven't, but high level racing seems to favor lean and wiry builds. Women regularly achieve a slim and muscular physique. It isn't like we are talking about football or basketball players here: you don't need to be 175+ pounds of muscle or over 6' to race.
Weight is an advantage in racing, quite certainly. However muscular endurance in the core and legs is equally as important. Per pound, a guy is going to have more muscular endurance than a female. Until you've experienced hanging off a sportbike for a 20 minute track session, you can't possible understand. And remember: a wsbk race clocks in at 45, and they do two in a day.
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Weight is an advantage in racing, quite certainly. However muscular endurance in the core and legs is equally as important. Per pound, a guy is going to have more muscular endurance than a female. Until you've experienced hanging off a sportbike for a 20 minute track session, you can't possible understand. And remember: a wsbk race clocks in at 45, and they do two in a day.
Plus they're riding faster on much faster bikes, braking harder, turning harder, with more acceleration, pulling more Gs than anyone at any trackday.
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Plus they're riding faster on much faster bikes, braking harder, turning harder, with more acceleration, pulling more Gs than anyone at any trackday.
One thing to keep in mind is averages don't apply to motogp or wsbk. If the riders were average, we wouldn't watch.
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One thing to keep in mind is averages don't apply to motogp or wsbk. If the riders were average, we wouldn't watch.
You missed the point. What they're doing is physically more taxing than any riding anyone here has done at a trackday on a sportbike. Looking forward to your post about your first trackday experience.
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You missed the point. What they're doing is physically more taxing than any riding anyone here has done at a trackday on a sportbike. Looking forward to your post about your first trackday experience.
You missed my point. Anyone riding in motogp now is extraordinarily talented. That sort of talent is developed out of a large pool of riders. Men are much more heavily represented at every level of motorsports, so it is far more likely that those extraordinarily talented people will be men.

I'll grant that on average, women have less muscle mass and endurance than men, I'll also grant that on average they have slower reaction times. Averages don't limit the capabilities of the extraordinary though.
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You missed my point. Anyone riding in motogp now is extraordinarily talented. That sort of talent is developed out of a large pool of riders. Men are much more heavily represented at every level of motorsports, so it is far more likely that those extraordinarily talented people will be men.

I'll grant that on average, women have less muscle mass and endurance than men, I'll also grant that on average they have slower reaction times. Averages don't limit the capabilities of the extraordinary though.
A man with the same skill set as a woman will have a physical advantage over that woman in MotoGP/WSBK, period.
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Diminutive representation in a sport that men have a noted physical advantage. That makes the likelihood of seeing a female GP rider extremely slim.
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You missed my point. Anyone riding in motogp now is extraordinarily talented. That sort of talent is developed out of a large pool of riders. Men are much more heavily represented at every level of motorsports, so it is far more likely that those extraordinarily talented people will be men.

I'll grant that on average, women have less muscle mass and endurance than men, I'll also grant that on average they have slower reaction times. Averages don't limit the capabilities of the extraordinary though.
And yet in all sports in which any type of muscle offers an advantage, men DECIMATE women extraordinary or not. Guess what? Motorcycle racing is one of those sports.
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I think the more reasonable explanation would be a mix of both Rael and Bevo/po-po's stances.

Diminutive representation in a sport that men have a noted physical advantage. That makes the likelihood of seeing a female GP rider extremely slim.
You can say the same for auto racing and yet women compete against the men in auto racing and there have been professional female motorcycle racers.
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So Yao Ming can't be tall because on average chinese people are short.
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You can say the same for auto racing and yet women compete against the men in auto racing and there have been professional female motorcycle racers.
Perhaps I wasn't clear.

At the MotoGP level I see both reasons as applicable in explaining the lack of female riders.


Less women are involved in the sport than men. You start with a significantly smaller percentage of which an even smaller percentage will demonstrate the talent necessary to a future GP rider.

Combine that with that female rider needing to be, in my opinion, significantly more talented than her male counterparts to compete at the same level thanks to the inherent disadvantages in physique.
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So Yao Ming can't be tall because on average chinese people are short.
Ok, there's a female freak somewhere out there that could kick Rossi's on the track. You win
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i don't see how this relates to Bevo's post at all.
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