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Old 12-08-2006, 11:20 AM   #21
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I can't remember the name, but there actually is a company that delivers your choice of bike with any of a long laundry list of upgrades up to a high-end privateer racebike. I think they had a top end GSXR1K fully loaded at $30K. I think they also arrange their own financing, etc...

The manufactures themselves are still a little limited as they are requiremed to deliver bikes that still meet emissions, etc
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Not what I was thinking of... BUT I'm sure Patrick can set you up VERY nicely. These guys had an article one of the mags recently...
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Thanks Bill. Far too long since my last track day. You guys be careful. Sounds like it will be a good one!
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As far as suspension goes, I believe Honda owns Showa so if I were them, I'd be hesitant to slap on the latest tech from Ohlins. Dunno about the other japanese guys.
Did you see Zemke's Daytona bike?
Ohlins front and rear.
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Thanks Bill. Far too long since my last track day. You guys be careful. Sounds like it will be a good one!
Don't worry I will(careful that is) . I don't want Doug to get burned out ya know on helping with the bike. What a nice guy. I think I will be buying alot meals this weekend.
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Did you see Zemke's Daytona bike?
Ohlins front and rear.


Yeah. The AMA guys have 'split' from the Honda factory and developing their own bikes within American Honda. Whereas in the past, the bikes were developed in Japan by HRC and purchased or leased for the season. So as of last year, or was it the year before, the AMA boys are running Ohlins and doing their own engine development etc..
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This goes more into marketing and ROI more than "think of the best bike the Japs can produce." It is obvious the Japs can design/manufacture some of the best in-line 4's available and it's fair to say they "own" this market BUT that's just the very reason why they won't diverse into other markets. It is in my opinion any company could commit to building a "super" super bike with high end specs BUT the time/investment/trials and errors it would take to do this would hurt the resources needed to maintain the leader status in it's current market. In addition - if the same effort of resources were commited to the current market, the Return of Investment would be greater than should it diverse.

Now I understand Honda/acura and Toyota/Lexus all probably hold their own and have made money BUT again if they had to choose one focus Honda and Toyota would drop Acura/Lexus in a heartbeat because they'll always be second best to others in this market and they'll never make the same PROFITS as Honda/Toyota.

I hope I havn't confused the answer: bottom line it's not worth the hassle albeit you would end up with a great product the bottom line is what counts
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Marketing people have already thought about this, old news/ideas. As the saying goes "IF it is not broken, why fix it?".
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Everyone has good points on this. I think I would like to also see the current trend in bike components continue on production bikes for the current price points, but with MORE options of QUALITY aftermarket brands to allow riders to individualize their bikes setup without always having to default to 1 or 2 brands like Ohlins. And like someone said, Ohlins stuffis great, but most riders can't even push the limits of the current stock components.


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Old 12-08-2006, 04:25 PM   #31
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Everyone has good points on this. I think I would like to also see the current trend in bike components continue on production bikes for the current price points, but with MORE options of QUALITY aftermarket brands to allow riders to individualize their bikes setup without always having to default to 1 or 2 brands like Ohlins. And like someone said, Ohlins stuffis great, but most riders can't even push the limits of the current stock components.


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well hopefully the people looking for these options can push it..
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i would imagine they are trying to keep costs down so they can sell their bikes in mass quantity.
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Sure they are trying to control costs in the highly competitive Superbike and Supersport platform.
That's not the point.
Here is the point:(I will use Honda as an example)
Honda is ignoring a segment of the market that is very profitable.
Ducati runs factories and employs people and takes checks to the bank with a fraction of the resources that Honda has.
At the end of the day, Honda has the technology edge on all of the Italians, from a design and manufacturing standpoint (in my opinion). This would benefit the consumer at all levels eventually.
Maybe Honda should build these elite bikes in their Italian factory (that they currently manufacture the 599 in) and hire some cheif designer named Claudio Studlioni or Guido Hotsnotelli. Call the bike Fastashellis. Whatever. You get my point.
They could do some amazing things with this business model and at the end of the day it would benefit everyone because it would increase competition at the high-end which always, eventually, trickles down to the little guy.

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the Scion company allows the customers to customize their cars. i wouldnt buy a scion type motorcycle
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hey well the company owns alot of the aftermarket stuff so why not put crappy oem stuff and then let them buy the bike and add on other stuff to make more money? gennnnnnnnnnnuis, yamaha owns ohlins btw

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the Scion company allows the customers to customize their cars. i wouldnt buy a scion type motorcycle
You do know that is a Toyota company right?
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Honda tried building a few bikes in the past to compete with the Italians. No one was willing to pay that kinda cash for a bike. Maybe times have changed, but no one's willing to take the risk again...

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Sure they are trying to control costs in the highly competitive Superbike and Supersport platform.
That's not the point.
Here is the point:(I will use Honda as an example)
Honda is ignoring a segment of the market that is very profitable.
Ducati runs factories and employs people and takes checks to the bank with a fraction of the resources that Honda has.
At the end of the day, Honda has the technology edge on all of the Italians, from a design and manufacturing standpoint (in my opinion). This would benefit the consumer at all levels eventually.
Maybe Honda should build these elite bikes in their Italian factory (that they currently manufacture the 599 in) and hire some cheif designer named Claudio Studlioni or Guido Hotsnotelli. Call the bike Fastashellis. Whatever. You get my point.
They could do some amazing things with this business model and at the end of the day it would benefit everyone because it would increase competition at the high-end which always, eventually, trickles down to the little guy.

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I know what your saying but I think you are missing the forrest because of the trees! And there is something I do not agree with you on - I do not feel the companies are ignoring a VERY profitable market. It isn't that easy to diversify into anything you are not familiar with let alon to do it AND make profit. Top dogs at Ducati will be the first to tell you they havn't mastered anything, they just manage what they have and work hard at keeping it that way. What you are essentially asking is why doesn't Honda build a V-twin engine for a lightweight slim lined super bike with all the bells and whistles from manufacturers they have no relationship with and then try sell it in line with Italian pricing and expect riders to pay for it KNOWING it is STILL a Honda.

Think about it from start to finish. I am sure Honda given all it's resources could create a phenominal machine but at what price? Would the CBR series hurt? Probably yes. Would it Honda race it? Probably not given there recent success therefore you wouldn't see it on the track therefore nobody would really be interested.

The best example I can give you is my bike. ALthough I love my Daytona 650 it is an in line 4 that tried to take on the 600 class and failed miserably. The first thing they did was outsource the design to Japs just as you mentioned Honda could hire the Italians but it still did not work. After 2 miserable years of sale fugures Triumph went back to what it does best 3 cyclinder engines and the 675 triple which has hands down won the 600 class in 2006 and although some will disagree most professionals had clearly classed it the best bike of 06
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