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Old 12-08-2006, 09:24 AM   #1
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Why don't the manufacturers do this?

I question why one of the manufacturers doesn't pick up on the marketing strategy that the Italians have developed?

Go after the appeal image.
You can do this by cleaning up your current models and adding high end components. Just imagine a CBR1000RR/GSXR1000/ZX10R/R1 that comes from the factory with Ohlins, Brembo, Akra, custom maps, air intake improvements, trick rearsets, and custom CF bodywork everywhere, for about $22K - $35K. Maybe spin off a line like Honda did with cars (Honda/Acura)
Yamaha tried to do this with the R1 LE, but they only took the concept half way home.
You need to go all the way and truely make the bike exclusive and then drive a marketing program that says "If you buy this bike, you are one of the elite people on this planet and everyone at every Starbucks will think that you are some type of when you roll up on this bike."
The Italians have proved that there is a sizable enough market of people with big wallets and small 's to make some pretty good money here. (Flame avoidance: There are also some quality people with financial resources, as well. I know that! :icon_bigg )

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Excellent point many people have a small . Poor Bastards! LOL.

Kidding aside I concur and would like to see more tricked out versions of the current bikes(even the 600's) from the factory.
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There are also some quality people with financial resources, as well. I know that! :icon_bigg )

Just my opinion.

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Hmmm, I don't know I guess that could be true, inheritance I suppose...


Otherwise I think you have a good idea that the Japenese won't do. They tend to be pretty conservative and not take chances.
Wasn't it Jamie James that was building a real high end R-1? It had superbike spec everything and was very nice. I think it cost around 30 large. I don't know how well that worked out for him.
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most who buy Italian can afford to shell out huge bucks. Those who are buying up the bikes are mostly young people who have not even enough money to afford the bike comfortably. I agree, lotsa people today have money burning holes in their pockets but choose to spend it elsewhere, such as 30" wheels on their 1985 cutlass that isn't worth $1000. lotsof people try to make impressions on those they don't even know. I say just live a humble life and life will in turn treat you good.
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Yamaha has done it a couple of times in the past.
The most recent one was the R1 L.E. with Marchesisni wheels and Ohlins suspension.

Unlike say Ducati, where the cost difference between an S4R with std. suspension and an S4RS with full Ohlins etc. is $2000.00.

The LE was $6500 more than a standard R1!
And that was if the dealership would sell it at MSRP. which most were jacking the price even further.

It was more cost effective to buy an anniversary R1, sell the stock components and replace them with the aforementioned items, and still have money left over.
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Yamaha has done it a couple of times in the past.
The most recent one was the R1 L.E. with Marchesisni wheels and Ohlins suspension.

Unlike say Ducati, where the cost difference between an S4R with std. suspension and an S4RS with full Ohlins etc. is $2000.00.

The LE was $6500 more than a standard R1!
And that was if the dealership would sell it at MSRP. which most were jacking the price even further.

It was more cost effective to buy an anniversary R1, sell the stock components and replace them with the aforementioned items, and still have money left over.
Patrick,
I mentioned the LE in my post. In my opinion, Yamaha didn't go far enough to make the LE truely unique. I'm talking more radical here. Even making a new brand (i.e. Honda/Acura,Toyota/Lexus, etc.) The Italians are making money in this market, and I'm sure the margins are decent. I'm sure that when Honda decided to create Acura, evryone felt that the German Car buying wealthy folks wouldn't go for it. I believe that Acura and Lexas are doing quite well.
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I think it does make more sense to make a sportbike(pretty dang fast stock) affordable so it will be affordable to more people. I mean afterall these are sportbikes that are meant to be pushed hard not a cruiser that you ride more cruiserily(is that a word if not I made it up). Especially on a track when just a wee bit too much throttle twist creates an expensive painful lowside.
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One other thing; To everyone that is saying "buying Italian is expensive / $20-30k". I ask, have you priced a Ducati or Aprilia lately?

A 1098 starts at MSRP $14,995, the full house model, with Ohlins, Brembo, forged Marchesinis, and Data Aquisition is MSRP $19,995, and both have a 2 YEAR warranty!
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I think it does make more sense to make a sportbike(pretty dang fast stock) affordable so it will be affordable to more people. I mean afterall these are sportbikes that are meant to be pushed hard not a cruiser that you ride more cruiserily(is that a word if not I made it up). Especially on a track when just a wee bit too much throttle twist creates an expensive painful lowside.
More affordable?

You're kidding me right?

The level of performance that the current generation of bikes are capable of, and the technology / engineering behind it that you have access to when you buy one, is simply AMAZING!
Not to mention fit and finish, which are at an all time high.

At this stage of the game, the only way to go cheaper would to be either; cut back on the technology, or cut back on the quality of the components.
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More affordable?

You're kidding me right?

The level of performance that the current generation of bikes are capable of, and the technology / engineering behind it that you have access to when you buy one, is simply AMAZING!
Not to mention fit and finish, which are at an all time high.

At this stage of the game, the only way to go cheaper would to be either; cut back on the technology, or cut back on the quality of the components.
I think you misunderstood me. I was saying that the current bikes are awesome and affordable. So it wouldn't make any sense to make higher end bikes with tricked out parts when these are so fast and reliable now. Well maybe make the frames a wee bit stronger.
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The bikes have a huge share of the market. They don't have to do much to move units. The exotic bikes have to go further to move units to compete with the japs.
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As far as suspension goes, I believe Honda owns Showa so if I were them, I'd be hesitant to slap on the latest tech from Ohlins. Dunno about the other japanese guys.
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One other thing; To everyone that is saying "buying Italian is expensive / $20-30k". I ask, have you priced a Ducati or Aprilia lately?

A 1098 starts at MSRP $14,995, the full house model, with Ohlins, Brembo, forged Marchesinis, and Data Aquisition is MSRP $19,995, and both have a 2 YEAR warranty!
Not a bad deal until you pile it up.

Although, this sure gives an advantage in the superstock racing world. :icon_bigg
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I doubt Ducati rakes in half as much anually as honda or even yamaha, suzuki, or kawi. So I doubt they are worried about missing out on "the appeal image".
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The current crop of *elite bikes* out have more than enough potential.
The addition of high end components on a Gixxer, ZX10,R1 ect,ect. is redundant.
The aftermarket exists for these additions is there if one so wishes. Build your own elite bike and save the cash.
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The current crop of *elite bikes* out have more than enough potential.
The addition of high end components on a Gixxer, ZX10,R1 ect,ect. is redundant.
The aftermarket exists for these additions is there if one so wishes. Build your own elite bike and save the cash.
Not exactly redundant but, the stock stuff will get you pretty far.
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I can't remember the name, but there actually is a company that delivers your choice of bike with any of a long laundry list of upgrades up to a high-end privateer racebike. I think they had a top end GSXR1K fully loaded at $30K. I think they also arrange their own financing, etc...

The manufactures themselves are still a little limited as they are requiremed to deliver bikes that still meet emissions, etc
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