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Old 02-03-2012, 06:35 PM   #21
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There are riders that think they are "good enough" to NOT be "noobs".. In their eyes, they have been riding...commuting....dirt biking...what not for 3-4 years...But, as soon as you hit a few corners the truth comes out...That's when the sweeper or any other rider that witnesses the so called "expert" running wide or grabbing too much break in corners...etc..should get the attention of the leader/ sweeper or other riders to stop and talk to the rider. Anything that can be done to avoid the "expert" from crashing.

NO ONE SHOULD FEEL THREATNED/ BULLIED/ HARASSED OR ASHAMED TO CORRECT SOMEONE OR BE CORRECTED BY SOMEONE...
Good point Jimrad..

Make sure you tell me when I am running wide or grabbing your throttle...

Good Summary Senator. Like he said... noobs don't know what they don't know...education is key.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:47 PM   #23
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Good Summary Senator. Like he said... noobs don't know what they don't know...education is key.
Bingo, I'm not telling anyone how to hold a group ride with their buddies, we all have "those kinda rides".

I'm just showing people how to hold noob rides....
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It might be helpful to create a definition or characteristics of a noob. I don't think a noob necessarily means new to riding.

For example: I rode a cruiser for 5 yrs before I owned my current bike. Figured I wasn't a noob due to the years of riding. Learned I was a noob sports bike rider real quick.

Maybe You might be a noob if:
1. less than 1 yr riding experience.
2. new to sports bike/current bike
3. have not ridden in group rides before
4. have not ridden in a year or more.

Idk, just a suggestion.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:39 PM   #25
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Very VERY good post senator. I agree on making this a sticky this pretty much sums it all up.
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It might be helpful to create a definition or characteristics of a noob. I don't think a noob necessarily means new to riding.

For example: I rode a cruiser for 5 yrs before I owned my current bike. Figured I wasn't a noob due to the years of riding. Learned I was a noob sports bike rider real quick.

Maybe You might be a noob if:
1. less than 1 yr riding experience.
2. new to sports bike/current bike
3. have not ridden in group rides before
4. have not ridden in a year or more.

Idk, just a suggestion.
Well said David...I was there when you went off the road...I was wrong to assume you were a track rider from the looks of the burnt edges off your race tires.....
Glad you were going slow in that corner and the road was deserted...We made sure you and the bike were ok and then talked about why you went off the road....we fixed the problem, and you were a much better rider by the end of that ride...

Every ride you have shown significant improvement in cornering and maintaining a safe pace.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:49 PM   #27
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cool write up... I havent been on a group noob ride in a while.. The guys I ride with are a select crowd... And we have our rules too.
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It might be helpful to create a definition or characteristics of a noob. I don't think a noob necessarily means new to riding.

For example: I rode a cruiser for 5 yrs before I owned my current bike. Figured I wasn't a noob due to the years of riding. Learned I was a noob sports bike rider real quick.

Maybe You might be a noob if:
1. less than 1 yr riding experience.
2. new to sports bike/current bike
3. have not ridden in group rides before
4. have not ridden in a year or more.

Idk, just a suggestion.
That's a great suggestion! I was in the same boat. I rode my Dad's hogs from when I was 16. Started SS bikes when I was 23ish. I was definitely a noob to the style of bikes and their physics of riding in certain usage.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:53 PM   #29
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I have been riding for 2 years now and still haven't been on a group ride. I appreciate this thread, it answered some questions I had. Thx :thumbup:
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When posting a noobs only or friendly ride, I will title it...
This ride will follow the Senator method of noob riding.
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Very VERY good post senator. I agree on making this a sticky this pretty much sums it all up.
Mods- Is there a voting process I need to apply to for this?
Or a minimum amount of referrals?
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:04 PM   #30
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A thought crossed my mind.... How about we have a "fill in the blanks" setup for posting rides....like we have for the classifieds...

EX:
Date: 2-4-12 (Saturday)
Ride category: Noob (explaining what makes a noob rider)
Destination: Yankees
Meet Spot: PP69
Time: 8:30 a.m.
Mandatory Meeting: 9 a.m. (Only riders that attend the meeting may ride)
KSU: 9:30

Leader/ Leaders:
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Sweeper/ Sweepers: Jimrad, viffer

Minimum gear: full-face Helmet, Jacket, gloves, knee protection, ankle high boots, ICE card in jacket chest pocket or right pocket.

Rules:

1) No passing.. Maintain your position in the group, until, sweeper decides to make necessary change.
2) 3 car length distance maintained while in motion.
3) etc...etc..

This format may clear up doubts and maintain some consistency in understanding....sort of putting everyone on the same page...
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:32 PM   #31
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BAM!

Jimrad nailed the last missing piece to this.

Close thread and STICKY.
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First post is edited, to include Jimrad's example. Wanting to include definition of a noob, but still wanting to make sure I have that right.
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I'd say a noob is any rider who isn't aware of their or their motorcycle's capabilities. There are fast and slow riders with experience. There are fast and slow noobs too, the difference between the two is a noob rides over their head (both in terms of their capabilities and their bike's capabilities) without knowing it or acknowledging it.

This is a great thread.
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You can't put a time limit on noob-ness. I've known more than I can count, that had been riding bikes for 5+ years, and still had no clue how to "ride" a bike.

Other suggestion is the same as Jimrad, clearly state what type of "noob" ride

Noob as in complete noob rider, inexperienced
Noob to the Forest.. meaning never ridden the roads before

Main hard fast rule should be a Noob ride is at a noob pace, and a single group.

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Other suggestion is the same as Jimrad, clearly state what type of "noob" ride
Agree that type is critical. Different sorts of rides definitely come with their own considerations. I learned the hard way that there are a couple of unique factors to take into consideration for motosploring vs. an afternoon ride in the country.
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wow! I was looking for this post..
Senator.. when are we setting up a noob ride..
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This is awesome, from op to everyone bringing positive input, I will print most concerning including op for me to study and develop a greater way of setting up a group ride.
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