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Old 01-27-2012, 12:01 PM   #21
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It's just like when you are being interviewed for a job. They ask you how much you want/need to get paid. The employer is judging on how much you tell them. 1. if they can afford it 2. if you are worth it on paper and 3. by what you tell them. If you tell them a low number, it shows that you don't value your work/self much.

That's what I've always heard at least.
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Old 01-27-2012, 12:02 PM   #22
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There is looking for a good deal, and there is lowballing.Some people throw out a lowball number to help start negotations.

Not sure what happened here though, so I can't really comment.
or is lowballing looking for a geat deal? if someone has a bike listed for $5k... I may offer 3500, some see that as lowballing, others may see it as trying to figure out how bad he wants or needs to sell it. a off says i don't need to sell it, a counter offer of 4800 means one thing and a counter offer of 4000 means another... some people raise the price higher than it should be expecting a low ball and they end up getting what they think it's worth. I typically list a higher price just for that occasion.
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considering Art is something really NOT necessary...

if an individual only can afford "X", I try to produce "X".

if an individual can afford and wants "A-Z", I will produce "A-Z" and ask if they want the "SPECIAL" version too!

I found that to be able to make it in business, you need to be able to provide for every type of customer and their particular need. A customer that needed "A-Z" might also need just "A" and being able to deliver both can/will gain trust and respect from the customer.

but some customers can be a total "Pain", they get a special price too.

I try to give the best price first, any adjusting usually goes up, most my customers have learned/understand that and realize my pricing is great for what I produce.
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Old 01-27-2012, 12:59 PM   #24
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If you have a business or are selling something, and people lowball, think about this:

That's not gonna end, better get used to it.
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or is lowballing looking for a geat deal? if someone has a bike listed for $5k... I may offer 3500, some see that as lowballing, others may see it as trying to figure out how bad he wants or needs to sell it. a off says i don't need to sell it, a counter offer of 4800 means one thing and a counter offer of 4000 means another... some people raise the price higher than it should be expecting a low ball and they end up getting what they think it's worth. I typically list a higher price just for that occasion.
thats exactly what I do when I sell stuff....list it just a bit higher then I want to get for it....then if i get a person that will pay what i ask great, if not i take some money off it and they think they got a deal...whereas i get what i wanted to for it.
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I ask my customer how much he has to spend. I'll tell him what he gets for it. He usually gets more than he pays for because like I mentioned in the deleted thread - it's a hobby for me. I don't need it. I've done great stuff for free because of the challenge. Otherwise, If he wants to spend more to get a few extras, I'll gladly do it. Ususally because I don't charge much the customer is willing go get a little more done because he has something left over. In my situation, we're both happy.
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Like Fuller... If I dont really need it or want it... I'll low ball.

If I want / need it... I'll negotiate.

If you're in business and someone low you, just politely decline. Let them know you'd love the work but just can't do it for that particular price.

WTF? LOL
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ok, so i was really being a smart when I said sorry. frankly I don't give a rat's who i offended. In the origional thread I was trying to make a point that people need to appreciate what someone does for a LIVING. art isn't just something you learn. you either have it or you don't. DEF-punk or whatever your name is. I do realize that people are working for their money as well. just like i have to save up for something I want so do they. My business did not fail. I'm just tired of jack like you that think me spending two weeks airbrushing a bike should cost them 200 dollars. business owners are in business to make oney. it doesn't matter whethr ou are selling computers at best buy or selling a skilled trade. Next time you think someone should go down on a price consider taking a pay cut where you work. because that is what you're asking that person to do.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:51 AM   #32
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oh and if you want to stick with. "you get what you pay for" anyone here is welcome to look at some of my work. search on face book under Clear Water Graphics. there's are several jobs on there.
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:36 AM   #33
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Do you think just because you're an "artist" you're "special" .

ART is a talent that is developed and refined with practice.
I know many great artists that can not make it a business because they are slow and use amateur techniques.

I heard so many cry about how long they work and for so little pay.
....makes me laugh.

IMO
If it takes you two weeks to airbrush a small motorcycle tank, you're slow or an amateur in your airbrushing technique.

if it takes two weeks to produce a project...
try an easy price of $200 a day (bargain price) x 10 days = $2000, see if you can get that, if not, then obviously you are taking way too long to produce.

rather than cry and try learning how to work "FASTA"

anyway, your work looks good..., but being able to sell it as "ART" good luck, its just a another airbrushed gas tank...


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Your artwork does look good. Question though. What type of paint are you using on helmets? Most helmet manufacturers claim that paint ruins the integrity of the helmet. Reason I am looking at getting a helmet painted, then I read a few warnings so not so sure now.
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since we are all coming out, there is something i must vent also.......... I REALLY REALLY REALLY LOVE , THE ABUSIVE ASIAN KIND.... i feel better already
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Maybe it's not your work. Maybe it's your attitude that caused you to fail. Call it what you want and blame the customer all you want. In the end the reality is that it was your failure. You will not succeed till you realize it and change it. Quit and look in the mirror. OUT!
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art isn't just something you learn. you either have it or you don't.
lol... really? talent for art is what you have or don't..... you still have to learn skills/technique and refine it over a life time.

my "art" is my photography. it takes an "eye" for the shot, but takes much learning and studying to get it right. it is a life long process. no one is "born" with the ability to operate a camera no more the anyone is "born" with the ability to operate an air brush.
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Are we still talking about this?? Move on.
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