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Old 01-24-2012, 05:24 PM   #1
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why i like SM's more than SS's on the street

figured i'd share a post i made on the r6f. maybe worth a copy/paste on other boards to convince other riders that SM's are, in fact, the ! and yes, there are a few "stretches" on what's real and what's not, but it's mostly accurate... i admit the tire thing is about the only one that can vary GREATLY. so read, don't read, i don't GAF. (and excuse some random smilies that won't show up right here)

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alright... here we go. it's gonna be long. (twss)

reasons a motard are more fun, or better, on the street than the r6 (or any supersport bike for that matter)

1) price of ownership:
a. insurance - i haven't changed the limits on my insurance between the r6 and the (now) ktm, so it's apples to apples. my r6 full coverage was ~$75/month. same coverage, with a 1/4 the deductible, is $30/month. with the same deductible, i could had it in the $18/month range, but said eff that. gimme a $250 deductible.
b. parts - now this is really more contigent on the motard you decide on, but generally speaking, parts are SO cheap for these things that you'll be shocked. when i had the DRZ, i went shopping for new plastics b/c the ones that were on there weren't perfect. i found out i could buy a WHOLE NEW SET for $135 shipped. SHIPPED. that's stupid cheap. same with the KTM. it's more than that, but still $250 for a whole set. this goes for all parts - they're all MUCH more affordable. i'm not sure why though - probably b/c there's not that much of a market and they need to price em so the few that do need/want them will buy em
c. fuel - i got 55-60 mpg on the drz, and haven't run a full tank through the ktm yet, but am estimating about 48mpg. the best i ever got on the r6 was 32. both bikes got around the 120 miles per tank.
d. tires - you'll probably only go through 1 front tire the entire time you own the motard... and POSSIBLY a couple rears. that's what happens b/c it's such a light bike, but we'll get to that shortly.
2) safety
a. top speed - top speed of most tards is about 110 give or take. yes, that's fast, but it's not 160. there's a HUGE difference in reaction time on the street.
b. visibility - it's not much better, but you are MUCH higher on a motard than a SS (supersport).
c. quick maneuverability - it's probably a 300lb bike, vs a 450lb r6. yes, the SS will PROBABLY whoop it in the long run, but any tight section the tard will eat it up - it's just too easy to flick and throttle.
3) rideability (yes, i made that up, but it has to do with comfort)
a. stance - come on... leaning forward all wadded up with your knees up and arms out for a few hours at a time, or sit straight up on a HUGE seat, feet down, arms relaxed? there's no question the motard wins in this category.
b. weight - motard is lighter, and easier to handle, thus creating less fatigue over long boring rides.
c. amenities - you can customize anything on a tard and it looks awesome. i have a 12 volt power KIT (that's right, it was a kit) on the ktm, and you can't even find it unless you know where to look. try adding outlets on a SS - it's too clean of a bike to do that (imo) without looking ghetto.
d. available areas - SS has the street and track. motard has that as well, PLUS the rest of the entire world (minus water... well, DEEP water). streets, track, medians, sidewalks, stairs, curbs, fields, trails, jumps, etc. winner, motard. :fact
4) testosterone (what makes us truly enjoy riding a bike)
a. umph/ - my tard's torque curve is so scary, i actually have to let off before it does. it will hang with a inline-4 up until about 85. then the SS keeps going while the tard starts leveling off. this is another GREAT reason for a street machine. it has that umph you crave, but not so much that you end up getting tickets left and right or worse.
b. corners - sweepers go to the SS, but the fun-for-me stuff (like always) is the tight flick back and forth corners/chicanes. the DRZ put me at the middle of the front of the advanced group through sections like this. the ktm woulda put me in the front. the motards LOVE being ridden hard through turns... sweepers at WOT is awesome.
c. suspension - WOT through turns requires the bike to be planted. offroad suspension on a the road makes even potholes dissappear. meaning you can go -to-the-wall even more often.
overall: it's obvious to anyone that read all this what my opinions are... but the facts are there as well. the motard is a FAR less expensive bike, FAR superior handling bike (unless you buy a tard ), and overall, just plain more fun to ride. it's obvious i've had both bikes... in fact, i STILL have both. i have track 07 R6 that i do truly love. that still doesn't change the fact that i truly enjoy riding my motard more. it is a different kinda fun, but at the end of the day, it's a safer, more enjoyable kinda fun. knees scraping the ground at 90 at the track is one thing - wheelies and curbs and trails and jumps are another. that's fun right there. without a doubt. plus, i haven't met a single douchebag supermoto owner yet. but have met plenty of dbag SS owners. :(

make your decision, and let us know. hopefully you read all this.

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motards rule, SSs drool.
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Old 01-24-2012, 05:36 PM   #2
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lol, U do have alot of good points there, and I agree they are a hoot
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Dammit!!! Quit letting the secret out haha. I'm going to have to find a new bike now that they are "cool". I remember having my DR650 motarded before I ever got my RC51. I actually had people talking about my bike and telling me I should get a sport bike. I just smiled.
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Dammit!!! Quit letting the secret out haha. I'm going to have to find a new bike now that they are "cool". I remember having my DR650 motarded before I ever got my RC51. I actually had people talking about my bike and telling me I should get a sport bike. I just smiled.
get a 250. WOT the entire way around a track. they're definitely not "cool" yet.
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And my personal favorite...cheap to wreck. There is something liberating about a bike that you don't mind dropping. My husky looks nice but lets face it, it is a dirty dirt bike and not a shiny ss so scratches just add character. Or at least that's what I tell myself to make me feel better about picking it up off the ground. LOL. Only thing that even touched the ground on my last two get offs on the hard stuff was the grip, radiator shroud, and rear slider. Put new ones on for $40 and it looks new again.
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Motard you say?

Sounds interesting, I may need to look into this "fad".
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Haven't met a single douchebag SM owner? You need to get out more......

Going back to your original title.......there is not a better bike for the street. No need to discuss.
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Awesome. I am thinking of picking one up in the near future, not sure what to get though. I was looking at this KTM SM 450, very nice.



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lose weight.

i prefer more motor. drinking beer is too much fun. hhaha
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Nice write-up! Some very good points.

The only one I might throw the "challenge flag" at, is the weight on long boring trips. Heavy bikes don't get blown around as much and usually clear wind better. That's been my experience, though.

I can definitely see where the versatility is a huge point in favor of SMs though.
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Good post!

The worst part about a motard is the highway. My KTM 625 wasn't a fan of the freeway, which is understandable.

I do wish I still had it though, since now most of my daily riding is on surface streets.
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All this infind true on my DR350SE as well I just prefer knobbies because I can climb any muddy hill, cross rivers and get sideways out of nice concrete turns. Riding a dirt bike on the street no matter with street or dirt tires is the bees knees. For those who haven't figured this out, try one for a bit.
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And my personal favorite...cheap to wreck. There is something liberating about a bike that you don't mind dropping. My husky looks nice but lets face it, it is a dirty dirt bike and not a shiny ss so scratches just add character. Or at least that's what I tell myself to make me feel better about picking it up off the ground. LOL. Only thing that even touched the ground on my last two get offs on the hard stuff was the grip, radiator shroud, and rear slider. Put new ones on for $40 and it looks new again.
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I separated my header from my engine on my last spill (bolts were loose), and it only cost $10 to get back in business (crush gasket).
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I separated my header from my engine on my last spill (bolts were loose), and it only cost $10 to get back in business (crush gasket).
U might can blame that on the mechanic who installed it


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What I don't get is that a decent used SM seems to cost more than a decent used SS... Less parts, cheaper parts, but sale price is higher...
I disagree. Tards are selling pretty cheap verus what they costs new or to build one.

You can find them as low as 2K to up to a little under 4K and get a nice one. I'd say the average is around 3000. That seems reasonable to me.

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