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Old 12-04-2006, 12:04 PM   #1
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School Segregation

So what do you guys think about the Supreme court hearings?

Kids are getting turned down their local school and having to find another school to go to because there are too many kids of their particular race going there already.

So now the black leaders of the nation are because white people are going to use the supreme court case of Brown vs. Board of Education to stop the segregation that is taking place due to the affirmative action.
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Affirmative action sucks. Racism is Racism, not matter how you look at it.

You can not encourage a blending of cultures and race relations by making racism a social institution like affirmative action has done.
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I agree with affirmitive action until a point like this when it goes to far. needs to be boundries.
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Sometimes this stuff just get's stupid, like me not being able to get my grandson into a public pre-kindertgarten class because........I make too much money?
Too many kids of one race at a public school you turn them away? Stupid
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I agree with affirmitive action to a point like this when it goes to far. needs to be boundries.
I think that it needs to be eliminated completely in todays society. This isn't the 60's anymore. Institutionalized racism and quotas have no place in a society that values success based on achievement and merit.
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I think that it needs to be eliminated completely in todays society. This isn't the 60's anymore. Institutionalized racism and quotas have no place in a society that values success based on achievement and merit.
zero cool and loewer guy are the prime examples why it still needs to be in place. Cause if they are in the position to hire someone they will not hire the black person no matter how qualified they are. Just because you see past colour (and so do I ) doesn't mean there aren't alot of people that don't and there are alot of people that don't.
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zero cool and loewer guy are the prime examples why it still needs to be in place. Cause if they are in the position to hire someone they will not hire the black person no matter how qualified they are. Just because you see past colour (and so do I ) doesn't mean there aren't alot of people that don't and there are alot of people that don't.
+1...I was going to type something along those lines but you pretty much got it. There are far too many Kramers in this world to eliminate Affirmative Action...
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zero cool and loewer guy are the prime examples why it still needs to be in place.
incorrect. I will argue that zero cool is the minority not the majority. Thus the majority should not be punished because of the misdeeds of a few. By continuing a failed program such as affirmative action, we risk having more zero cools in society. Racism of any type breads more racism.

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Cause if they are in the position to hire someone they will not hire the black person no matter how qualified they are.
This is why law schools make lawyers. One discrimination lawsuit and zerocool will become a zero and sent out of business.

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Just because you see past colour (and so do I ) doesn't mean there aren't alot of people that don't and there are alot of people that don't.
I do see past race, but I fight affirmative action every chance I get. Not because I am a racist but because I believe that institutional racism has no place in a progressive society.

I would not hire anyone on principle if some racist affirmative action quota system ever tried to force me to institute a racist company policy of any type. Nothing should be run on a quota system, it should be run on a system of merit and achievement.
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+1...I was going to type something along those lines but you pretty much got it. There are far too many Kramers in this world to eliminate Affirmative Action...
Racism breads Kramers. Affirmative action is racist.
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Racism breads Kramers. Affirmative action is racist.
True statement. However, to the contrary of what you may be implying, racism has origins far older than those of affirmative action. I won't go as far as to say it-Affirmative Action- is racist but it definitely carries some racial connotations (some positive, some negative), however it is a necessary evil...
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I would not hire anyone on principle if some racist affirmative action quota system ever tried to force me to institute a racist company policy of any type. Nothing should be run on a quota system, it should be run on a system of merit and achievement.
I would wholly agree with this statement were we living in a perfect world...
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True statement. However, to the contrary of what you may be implying, racism has origins far older than those of affirmative action.
Time has nothing to do with this arguments. We do not live in the centuries that have past. Times change and so do ideas and perceptions.

Example: Cars have not been around forever, but that does not mean that we use them now.

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I won't go as far as to say it-Affirmative Action- is racist but it definitely carries some racial connotations (some positive, some negative), however it is a necessary evil...
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I would wholly agree with this statement were we living in a perfect world...
We have never and will never live in a perfect world. Perfect worlds do not exist. Injustices how ever do exist. Lets define injustice shall we

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1. the quality or fact of being unjust; inequity.
2. violation of the rights of others; unjust or unfair action or treatment.
3. an unjust or unfair act; wrong.

Affirmative action is all of the above and is thus unjust to both you and me. It is an injustice to us both because as long as it is in effect in any form it will ensure that our consecutive generations will always be viewed by the color of their skin BEFORE they are judged by their merits and accomplishments. Canjun, you will always be black, I will always be white, but as long as there are quotas and numbers and considerations based on race alone, we will never be equals within our own society.

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Time has nothing to do with this arguments. We do not live in the centuries that have past. Times change and so do ideas and perceptions.

Example: Cars have not been around forever, but that does not mean that we use them now.
As I said, contrary to what you may have been implying, which indicates that I wasn't exactly sure what you were implying but based on what was written and in the order it was written, I could only conclude that you were making what is commonly referred to as a "deductive fallacy" based on two statements made in close proximity to one another. Here is the quote in question:

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Racism breads Kramers. Affirmative action is racist.
It would seem that you were deducing that due to the racism of Affirmative Action that it-Affirmative Action- was effectively, breeding more racism. Please excuse if I mistook what you were actually asserting. Were that the case, I was simply pointing out that racism existed before the inception of Affirmative Action, which I am more than sure you were aware of, just trying to limit ambiguity.

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We have never and will never live in a perfect world. Perfect worlds do not exist. Injustices how ever do exist.
This is inherently a given, which is EXACTLY the point I was making...we do not currently and never will, live in a perfect world. That is until we are called by the Lord, our .

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Lets define injustice shall we:

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2. violation of the rights of others; unjust or unfair action or treatment.
3. an unjust or unfair act; wrong.
I understand the concept of due diligence but this was completely unnecessary...

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Affirmative action is all of the above and is thus unjust to both you and me. It is an injustice to us both because as long as it is in effect in any form it will ensure that our consecutive generations will always be viewed by the color of their skin BEFORE they are judged by their merits and accomplishments. Cajun, you will always be black, I will always be white, but as long as there are quotas and numbers and considerations based on race alone, we will never be equals within our own society.
As I said before, I would wholly agree with everything you've said on this topic, however you fail to recognize the reality that there tends to be a "good ol boy" system that was in place prior to the implementation of Affirmative Action and would undoubtedly- with the abolition of Affirmative Action- re-emerge (if you will). We can debate Affirmative action all day long but for the most part we agree, people should be considered on merit alone but being that I happen to highly doubt that as a plausible reality, I think AA is again, a necessary evil.

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"We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools."
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Wise words but he intended that we ALL see one another as brothers...which IMO won't happen until we are so diluted as a people that race can no longer be determined...
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You can not encourage a blending of cultures and race relations by making racism a social institution like affirmative action has done.
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Public education sucks in general. Then you add a little more BS like this and you end up with something completely useless. It is not even a good social environment anymore.
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zero cool and loewer guy are the prime examples why it still needs to be in place. Cause if they are in the position to hire someone they will not hire the black person no matter how qualified they are. Just because you see past colour (and so do I ) doesn't mean there aren't alot of people that don't and there are alot of people that don't.
Wow ive been dragged into this I guess...Affirmative action is unacceptable..Racism is unacceptable..Segregation is unacceptable..Its 2007 not 1800's..Its time for everyone(whites, blacks, asians, hispanics) to move on. If we dont we will be stuck in this pointless fued till our grandkids grandkids die.By the way if a black man was more qualified then the white man why the wouldnt I hire him??? I
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Wow ive been dragged into this I guess...Affirmative action is unacceptable..Racism is unacceptable..Segregation is unacceptable..Its 2007 not 1800's..Its time for everyone(whites, blacks, asians, hispanics) to move on. If we dont we will be stuck in this pointless fued till our grandkids grandkids die.By the way if a black man was more qualified then the white man why the wouldnt I hire him??? I
Not so much as in you wouldnt hire him....but in retrospect....that's the general consensus now-a-day's. But, lately I have seen more and moer business's hiring on merit and educational background's as opposed to color, race, creed etc. etc.
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To begin with, you shouldn't have the choice of which school that you want your child to attend. What ever happened to school districts? , I want my taxes paying for MY kids' school - not for someone else kids.

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Any company that I've worked for would definately hire the best person for the job regardless of thier race, religion, etc. A lot of people think that the "good ol' boy" system still exists which simply isn't true. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen it - and I was still a white male last time I checked. (No joke necessary here).
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To begin with, you shouldn't have the choice of which school that you want your child to attend. What ever happened to school districts? , I want my taxes paying for MY kids' school - not for someone else kids.

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Any company that I've worked for would definately hire the best person for the job regardless of thier race, religion, etc. A lot of people think that the "good ol' boy" system still exists which simply isn't true. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen it - and I was still a white male last time I checked. (No joke necessary here).
I think the good ole boy system still exists and I would love to point it out to you but, that could be a career limiting move. Houston is definetly a town where it helps to know someone when looking for a job.
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