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Old 01-23-2012, 04:37 PM   #21
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I wouldn't go cheap on rims simply because it seems they would bend easier. You need some strong ones if you plan on doing any stupid which lets face it, is where the bike excels. Most of the stock 17" rims are decent. It's when you buy them for a conversion when you can run across some cheap ones.
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So the consensus for seems to be an LC4 KTM as best bet for street (not interested in tracking it right now).
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So the consensus for seems to be an LC4 KTM as best bet for street (not interested in tracking it right now).
until it breaks.
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I've read a lot that pre-2004 ktm lc4 engines like the 640 had a lot of internal problems?
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until it breaks.
Im clearly looking for a dependable, street rideable bike. So if the concern is breaking then I'd like to steer away from it.
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I've read a lot that pre-2004 ktm lc4 engines like the 640 had a lot of internal problems?
I had an earlier 620 LC4 model and my current 2002 KTM Duke II (640). I did read about some issues, but when I talked to the guys at Wild West, they said it was like the KLR Doo-hickey fix. EVERYONE says you have to do, and there may have been a few issues, but overall no one can point a real issue.

What I recall is it was a concern about the bottom end bearing. When I read most of the post from guys changing them out, most comments were "The original seemed ok".

My first KTM LC4 is still being used by Scoutguy after Scott (Tankmonkey) had it for a while. As far as I know, still no issue with the motor.

For street use, I am happy with the Duke II I got.

For street use with no track antics, go air cooled Honda (XR400, 600, 650 L) or Suzuki (DR5650) if you want bulletproof. The LC4 is a close second. Check out ADV for all the guys that use them to go all over the world without issues.
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Im clearly looking for a dependable, street rideable bike. So if the concern is breaking then I'd like to steer away from it.
I am just playing around. There is a thread on SMJ going on right now about an SMC with 70K miles on it.

I think the big issue in equipment reliability, is do the maintenance at specified intervals and look for things out of the ordinary and act.

70K is probably an outlier, just like an SV650 I know of that has 180K miles, as most of use don't ride that much.

Either way DRZ400, XR650 or SMC would be my short list for a mostly street, sometimes track, supermoto.
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My first KTM LC4 is still being used by Scoutguy after Scott (Tankmonkey) had it for a while. As far as I know, still no issue with the motor.
I ran the hoo-hah out of that 620 on street rides and the 2010 fastline/groove union season at GSS. biggest problem I had was keeping the exhaust can from blowing off the bike on the track...

I know scoutguy ran it hard last year at gss, as well, and it is still going strong. it is a '96 motor and I only fed it gas and changed the oil. I checked the valve clearances once, too, but that's it from a motor perspective.

suspension work, on the other hand...

but the newer lc4s have better components than my 620 did, so suspension shouldn't be the same nightmare as it was for me (and by 'me', I mean patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited).
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the drz is a heavy sumbitch for sure, i harescrambled one for a while, practiced at the track a few times and hopped on a ktm and the difference was insane
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A DRZ400SM will do anything you want it to, just all at a slightly higher than mediocre level.

98MPH top end, comfortable 75 MPH cruise, good brakes, hard seat, 130 mile range with stock carb, next to no maintenance, easy to find parts for (same everything as dirt version), lot of hop up available (why waste your time), tires are cheap (sv650 race takeoffs for $75 a set installed).

At GSS I run mid pack with SUMOS and can occasionally pass a CRF450 or KTM motard. It just kills sportbikes in turns, I run intermediate and run with 600's on the tight tracks. I've had mine on roads to West Texas, dirt-tired in Mexican mountains, across big bend, around a few racetracks, and very occasional commuting.

I had it rebuilt (engine seals and bearings, clutch basket) when I got it, thought it had a rod knock, it was the clutch that had been abused.

In three years since, 6-8000 really really hard track and street and dirt miles I've just broken and beat it up, replaced battery, chain, maybe a broken lever, a couple of engine side cases, a speedo cable, couple of fork seals, and added some aftermarket head and taillight setups. I even changed the oil once. Valves...hmmm, I guess they are fine...bike runs well still. Try that on a 450.....any 450. This bike is like a hammer...with handle and hammer head, both replaceable.

After all, if you are afraid to ride your tard up a flight of stairs, back it in to a curve on the track, endo it at the stunt lot, or roost around in the gravel roads in the Sierra Orientals for fear of breaking it....what's the point?
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I also have a WR250X. Much nicer, less power. Better for commuting in 6th gear and 70 MPG stuff.

Same goes for excellent and cheap KLX250SM, which with a pipe and airbox mod will outrun my DRZ and stock WRX at GSS.
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what would be a good one to use at GSS...
street legal not necessary but could be a plus
you probably shouldn't click this link...around corner from me...just sayin.

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A DRZ400SM will do anything you want it to, just all at a slightly higher than mediocre level.

98MPH top end, comfortable 75 MPH cruise, good brakes, hard seat, 130 mile range with stock carb, next to no maintenance, easy to find parts for (same everything as dirt version), lot of hop up available (why waste your time), tires are cheap (sv650 race takeoffs for $75 a set installed).

At GSS I run mid pack with SUMOS and can occasionally pass a CRF450 or KTM motard. It just kills sportbikes in turns, I run intermediate and run with 600's on the tight tracks. I've had mine on roads to West Texas, dirt-tired in Mexican mountains, across big bend, around a few racetracks, and very occasional commuting.

I had it rebuilt (engine seals and bearings, clutch basket) when I got it, thought it had a rod knock, it was the clutch that had been abused.

In three years since, 6-8000 really really hard track and street and dirt miles I've just broken and beat it up, replaced battery, chain, maybe a broken lever, a couple of engine side cases, a speedo cable, couple of fork seals, and added some aftermarket head and taillight setups. I even changed the oil once. Valves...hmmm, I guess they are fine...bike runs well still. Try that on a 450.....any 450. This bike is like a hammer...with handle and hammer head, both replaceable.

After all, if you are afraid to ride your tard up a flight of stairs, back it in to a curve on the track, endo it at the stunt lot, or roost around in the gravel roads in the Sierra Orientals for fear of breaking it....what's the point?
You would be one of the fast DRZ riders I mentioned.
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