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Old 01-23-2012, 12:11 AM   #1
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I am recently interested in delving into the super motard world, but looking at bikes I am unfamiliar with has left me with questions.

Which bikes make a good choice for a super moto that is also a daily driver? Things like maintenance become very impacting when putting 1k miles a month on it.

How small in engine size should one consider with occasional need for speeds in 75-85mph range?

How much impact does age have on choice? (lookin at older bikes)

How important is it to have "super moto" wheels from top brands, versus a stock wheel with a street tire?

Anything else to consider?
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Im no expert, but if you going to be tooling around on the freeway i would imagine you need a 400 or better. Been tossing around the idea myself, and the drz400sm is looking pretty good, already has sumo wheels and tires, better brakes, and they can be had for around 3000-3500 with low miles.
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I think everyone is going to tell you that the DRZ400 is going to be the best bet. Also you can look at XR650s but you'll need to get the 17" wheels aftermarket unless you find one tarded out already.

As for wheel brands? I think any brand is good as long as its 17" and I recommend getting a 5" wide rear if you can so you can run the 150 or 160 tires for tons of options or buying take offs.
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Don't do it. They are boring and are slow. Trust me I have 4 of them.
Keep up chad, and I'll bring you more 50 wheels to put rubber on!
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The drz motor is probably one of the not reliable engines out there. The wr250x is another one, as well as any ktm with an LC4 motor in it.

I wouldn't with a 250 - as much fun as they are. Thy just dont have that umph i crave. The drz is heavy - I've had one and to get it uncorked takes about $500-1000... Then you still have lackluster suspension. The lc4 comes in a 625, 640, and 690. I picked up a 625 and love it. No mods except consumable parts.

Do your thing. The drz is the cheapest, along with the wr. Then come the 625s, 640s, and the most expensive are the 690s... They're the most sought after.

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I think everyone here has nailed it. I will add an XR400 that is converted to street legal is a great option as well. I think there was a nice one on CL with fresh motor that just needs wheels. They are lighter than a DRZ and just as bullet proof. Maintenance is a breeze. Kick only, but easy to start.

I had one for a while and should have kept it.

I'll try to find the ad in a little bit.
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Found it. I don't know the seller, etc. Price might be a little high, but if it is as nice as it looks and the story and mods are correct, it's only a little high in my opinion.

Talk to Chad about conversions, he did his 250 and it should be exactly the same.

If I didn't already have my Duke II, I would have offered 2K to the guy and converted it to street legal and added 17's.

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what would be a good one to use at GSS...
street legal not necessary but could be a plus
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street legal not necessary but could be a plus
for a little track like gss and cresson 1.3, the crf450 would be MONEY. or even better, a ktm smr (450 or 560 i think). THAT would be the most fun out there. followed closely by the husky 450smr and 510smr.

edit: all these are high maintenance b/c they're basically dirt bikes with street tires. made for quick "drag racing" style riding from corner to corner. not cruising on the street. prolly blow your top end quick on those if not maintained.
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for a little track like gss and cresson 1.3, the crf450 would be MONEY. or even better, a ktm smr (450 or 560 i think). THAT would be the most fun out there. followed closely by the husky 450smr and 510smr.

edit: all these are high maintenance b/c they're basically dirt bikes with street tires. made for quick "drag racing" style riding from corner to corner. not cruising on the street. prolly blow your top end quick on those if not maintained.
As someone who has owned and run the following at GSS and other tracks:
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Yes, the CRF450 is Money.

That is why I am buying my 03 Black CRF450 back. The downfall is maintenance on all the 450's. The XR400 is easy to maintain.

When I had my XR400 out there, I had no issues keeping pace.

Running my Duke out there was fun, but the weight made it more difficult (for me) to ride at the pace I was used to on the SMR. The CRF is a nice in between. I figure I'll spend about 2K every 2 years freshening up the motor (crank, etc).

DRZ400 is a perfect all arounder with street use and occassional track days. I will say that I have seen some guys out there with WAY more skills than I have keep a very FAST pace on a DRZ400, althought I have no idea if they were stock or modded to the hilt.
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You guys keep talking like GSS is going to be hosting track days this year? What do you all know? I've yet to see someone with concrete information about that track.

Best alternative, is the reconfigured MSRH for Fastline Days.
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cresson 1.3 is better than anything i've ever seen/ridden. if y'all haven't tried it - YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD. i'm actually going to try to convince dave to get a sumo day organized - maybe to tards on the 1.3 at the same time the SS's are on the 1.7. rent the entire facility and have some serious good times. we'll see what happens.

but yea... cresson 1.3 > * (imho)
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cresson 1.3 is better than anything i've ever seen/ridden. if y'all haven't tried it - YOU DEFINITELY SHOULD. i'm actually going to try to convince dave to get a sumo day organized - maybe to tards on the 1.3 at the same time the SS's are on the 1.7. rent the entire facility and have some serious good times. we'll see what happens.

but yea... cresson 1.3 > * (imho)
That would be a great idea. LSTD did that a while back. I enjoyed the out of it. DO IT!

Cresson on the 1.3 is better than GSS I have to admit due to elevation changes. Ran it with TMGP and the LSTD track day. Lots of fun.

I have no idea if anyone is running GSS this year. I am buying back my CRF450 with Harris hill in mind actually.

Cresson 1.3 would just be a bonus, if Ride Smart does this, I will be there if I can.

Fair warning, if I recall correctly, the sumo turn not was not as large as needed to justify LSTD doing it again. You may want to offer some sort of LW class to make it work. Ninja 250's, older 600's (FZR type), air cooled twins, etc similiar to what Tim did at fastline.

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You guys keep talking like GSS is going to be hosting track days this year? What do you all know? I've yet to see someone with concrete information about that track.

Best alternative, is the reconfigured MSRH for Fastline Days.
Looking forward to trying MSRH on a different layout as well. When I ran my tard there in the fast group, the straights just tore up the motors and really the tards were too slow for the fast group, but probably faster than the middle group as far as speeds in the turns. NOT motard friendly in the normal lay out.

Looking forward to trying it.

EDIT: SORRY to threadjack about tracks. Back on topic about what tard is best for Lokati's use.
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I am recently interested in delving into the super motard world, but looking at bikes I am unfamiliar with has left me with questions.

Which bikes make a good choice for a super moto that is also a daily driver? Things like maintenance become very impacting when putting 1k miles a month on it.

Addressed very well by others' earlier post

How small in engine size should one consider with occasional need for speeds in 75-85mph range?

I ran my DRZ250 at highway speeds around 80 and it was brutal on it, I wouldn't recommend it, although a gearing change could help. I agree a 400 and upward is the best bet.

How much impact does age have on choice? (lookin at older bikes)

I don't think age matters. As I mentioned, I would prefer an XR400 or other XR air cooled option for weight and reliablity. Even a late 90's model would be fine if in good shape.

How important is it to have "super moto" wheels from top brands, versus a stock wheel with a street tire?

I like Excel, etc and the higher end stuff. WARP 9's are probably fine, but my gut says to stay away. I've never used them and probably wont. I have no basis for this opinion other than I just don't like the cheaper stuff, others have used them and like them just fine. The CRF I am buying back has Honda F3 wheel and excel rear. From what I understand, it was a to modify by Andy at Metric.

I ran Avon Distanzias on my DRZ400E a while back on the stock wheels. It was no problem for street use and occassional track days. Very cheap way to get into motards. That said, an earlier DRZ400E model converted would be a great option. I ran the dog out of mine (97 mph in the Hill Country for hours) and never had a problem, other than friends crashing on it
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Fastline full schedule is not out yet, but it was planned (if I remember right) to have 4 trackdays at GSS...not sure I am going to get a full size tard yet... but this thread lends itself to that train of thought...
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Fastline full schedule is not out yet, but it was planned (if I remember right) to have 4 trackdays at GSS...not sure I am going to get a full size tard yet... but this thread lends itself to that train of thought...
http://waco.craigslist.org/mcy/2774681697.html

Cheap DRZ400E, add some elbow grease, clean the carb, add Avon Distanzias, and you have a gateway motard to try it out.

For track days, it would be a cheap entry. A set of plastics is about 100 new frem eBay if you want it pretty.

These bikes seem to either run or not. Not a lot of hidden things like the higher strung 450's.
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Don't forget about KLX400 as well. Same platform as the DRZ-S so u will need some Motard wheels...I love my DRZ. although not the fastest, it does what I want it to do and does it very well. I commute 25 miles (90% freeway) cruising around 70 with quick spurts of 80mph. I've tracked it and hung with SS and faster tards until the straight aways and recently got some off road wheels/tires and road it on trails at SHSNF. oh don't forget about hooligan rides too!! It's never given me any issues and so far oil changes is all it needs.

I did spend about ~$900 uncorking it with exhuast and FCR carb to make it a lot faster. If I could do it again I would rebuy the DRZ for the money. If I had more money to spend on a hooligan ride I would get a KTM with an LC4 motor...
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Having "supermoto" wheels from top brands isn't important, BUT most supermotos are converted dirtbikes. Dirtbikes don't have 17" wheels like streetbikes do, and you are therefore VERY limited on tire choice. Converting to 17" wheels allows you to run more standard road/sportbike tires. These wheels don't have to be from top brands unless you're planning on jumping the bike, but there aren't exactly a lot of off brands making 17" hoops either.


I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you buy a bike that's setup from the factory with 17's there's little point in putting on nicer aftermarket 17s, but if you plan to buy a dirtbike and make it a tard.....yea, you're going to want to pony up for some wheels.
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