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Old 01-17-2012, 09:56 AM   #61
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That is good advice. That works for the people that listen. Sometimes though people get too excited, ancy, or feel the need to prove their skills. That needs to be controlled.



Yeah it can be a pain in the , and really stop a good trip.

BTW There are 3 proper positions to places noobs depending on how you set the group(s) up.

We should definitely have a get together to talk about this stuff for who ever is interested.
We could do it for the central meet...that way leaders hear what is expected and the riders there also know what to expect from a good leader...

Thanks for the mention, I don't meet all the criteria from your posts, but do most.

I did learn from gray leaders:

Bevo- no bullshit leader/has an ego but knows how to control it

BYRDMAN- doesn't do it often, but when he does, he is on point, this would be my #1 choice if he did it a lot.

Helios- though he lead a mostly a short ride of 3-4 he was still good.

Texlurch- from the noobs to curvy roads ride, I learned and saw a lot of good.

Jimrad- I only have riden with once and followed behind him, he keeps very consistent lines and knows his roads.

I have much to learn from leading, but I do the best I can.


Just as important as a leader, he also needs a good sweeper to communicate and be the eyes on the back, but more importantly, they need to have patience and self-control.

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MykolJ- though he , the man is patient.

BYRDMAN- knows what to look for and great communication.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:58 AM   #62
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Although I've never been on a ride lead by Rykoson, I've ridden with him at the track a few times and on other rides, and he is a good rider and could lead if he wanted.
He just needs to get better control of that right hand
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:05 AM   #63
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Someday if you play your cards right... LOL!!

So far as the gas rule it's simple on group rides. When one stops, we all top off.

My bike is a guzzler so it's usually good for all!
Regarding the gas - here another cliche phrase: you only can have too much gas if your bike is on fire
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I must nominate Cali. I dont really participate in "group" rides. Too many rides have resulted in ruined days due to off roading. I avoid that .
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I know when I've posted a ride that I plan to lead, I have trouble sleeping the night before the ride.
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You kidding right?
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:49 AM   #68
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So, an ideal safe leader/ rider would follow the laws?...Do posted speed limits, no passing double yellow lines, no wheelies or what not, also turn away riders that show up in inadequate gear, expired tags..etc...

Because, when something does go wrong (speeding ticket, crash, or death) the leader would be held accountable for not doing everything possible to avoid the situation??.....the more I dig, the worse it looks..
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You kidding right?
Nope, especially if it's a noob friendly ride. I keep playing the riders meeting over in my head and I worry about a rider going down
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Nope, especially if it's a noob friendly ride. I keep playing the riders meeting over in my head and I worry about a rider going down
I can see that...
I lost my best friend on a ride, and I still try to think about what we could have done differently to avoid the situation...
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So, an ideal safe leader/ rider would follow the laws?...Do posted speed limits, no passing double yellow lines, no wheelies or what not, also turn away riders that show up in inadequate gear, expired tags..etc...

Because, when something does go wrong (speeding ticket, crash, or death) the leader would be held accountable for not doing everything possible to avoid the situation??.....the more I dig, the worse it looks..
You can't be held accountable for someone elses actions. I was just stating that when I would lead rides, I FELT responsible if there was something I could have done better.

Yes that would be an "ideal safe leader" for one publicly posted on a forum.
Does it always work like that, not necessarily, just depends on who's in the ride!

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That's why you don't post the rides jimmy and we always have a good ride
This. If I'm with my 3-4 buddies I trust my LIFE with, our far back-road rides have no thread, no pictures, and no video......

But you can't act like that with people who are new and need to know the difference in two types of rides...
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imo, a good leader needs to be predictable and has ability to adjust his/ hers riding style and skill level accordingly to match with the group he/she is leading.
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I have only been on three group rides and leaders being Cali(forest gnome run),Jimrad(sommerville run)and Newrider(back road run?) and really enjoyed riding with all three. Cali was very direct and knows how to get everyone on the same page with a lengthy pre-ride briefing, which was great for me since this was my first spirited group ride. Jimrad and Newrider also were pretty forward on riding safe and staying within your limits as well...but as stated before, it's the leaders responsiblity to lay down the rules of the ride but it's ultimately up to the individual riders to keep it safe and pain free by knowing and riding within their own limits. A "group ride" may not always stay "grouped" together...but nobody is left behind.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:25 PM   #75
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Although I've never been on a ride lead by Rykoson, I've ridden with him at the track a few times and on other rides, and he is a good rider and could lead if he wanted.
Waiting on my OG status...

see I can't even post a multi quote...
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I've had a lot of people tell me my dad is one of the best. So I guess "DannyBoy". But he hasnt led any rides in a long time.
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Noob here, and thanks for this discussion. The last group ride I did was in 1972. Since climbing back on last March, I have ridden solo. One way to get more participation, (and some of us old grey-backs are pretty good Gorillas to know), is to perhaps sponser a first time, noob only ride. Check your ego at the door, and emphasize learning group ride skills by actually doing it safely. You never know, we might just buy you a steak dinner after the ride.

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Noob here, and thanks for this discussion. The last group ride I did was in 1972. Since climbing back on last March, I have ridden solo. One way to get more participation, (and some of us old grey-backs are pretty good Gorillas to know), is to perhaps sponser a first time, noob only ride. Check your ego at the door, and emphasize learning group ride skills by actually doing it safely. You never know, we might just buy you a steak dinner after the ride.

, I'll host a noob ride for a nice lunch
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Get in line.

I want to do a Noob to Curvy ride like Texlurch did last year, we all had fun.
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