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Old 01-16-2012, 09:56 PM   #21
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Why is it when I think of great leaders I picture old men with gray hair??
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:57 PM   #22
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Bevo = great leader/ great mentor/ king of planking
Negative. Bevo's mean to me, so he's automatically blackballed.
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The ride today was nice I thought. Nobody in a big hurry between segments, front pack seemed decently fast. Sweeper and new riders at the back, big group in the middle. Everyone had a great time and it seemed like folks looked out for each other. If all rides are like that - good stuff.
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The ride today was nice I thought. Nobody in a big hurry between segments, front pack seemed decently fast. Sweeper and new riders at the back, big group in the middle. Everyone had a great time and it seemed like folks looked out for each other. If all rides are like that - good stuff.
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Expanded:

Group Ride Leaders
These need to be people that can lead a ride with multiple groups of different experience and actually cares about every rider in the group.
They are the ones that are equally willing to be a sweeper on any given ride.
They know where noobs belong in the group.
They need to know all hand signs.
They need to know how to safely navigate a group through traffic.
They set rules for the ride and explain how the day will go
They are not afraid to call someone out for getting out of line
unsafe passing, crossing the centerline, tailing other riders too closely
They maintain a controlled speed so riders have a safe distance no matter
what that speed is
They are able to adapt to riders in the wrong position of the group whether
they are faster or slower than they said
They know the route they are taking, and know where the trouble spots
are, as in hard curves, upcoming stop lights/signs, changes in SP limit
They know how to handle an emergency situation in case anything happens
on the ride. (What gear to take off, or not to take off), Basic medical
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Great contribution Senator-- Thank you! It'll help a lot to have concrete criteria so we're all on the same page about what makes a safe leader/rider.
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IMO....We should have a "ride leader" training day that covers all the mentioned areas by Senator...cause, there a lot up ^ there that I probably need to learn too..

I don't see myself as the control freak...I ride to enjoy my weekend ride with other riders with the same intention...I always ask riders to ride well within their limits...and use the few hand signals I know...

Although, I can't constantly look in my mirrors and monitor every rider...that's where the sweeper's feedback is important.

I don't see myself putting a douchebag rider on the ground and pounding his head to the curb to put him in place....that's not me....unless, it's absolutely necessary..

Useful info though....keep it coming..
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Hehe, point taken. It was more like 2-3 groups that met up at the same checkpoints.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:02 PM   #29
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Senator, I would love to come to a ride that you lead...Just want to see how you organize/place the riders....May help me with noob friendly rides in the future....I always thought the noobs should stay to the back of the group....or pair up with a mentor to follow and learn..
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IMO....We should have a "ride leader" training day that covers all the mentioned areas by Senator...cause, there a lot up ^ there that I probably need to learn too..

I don't see myself as the control freak...I ride to enjoy my weekend ride with other riders with the same intention...I always ask riders to ride well within their limits...and use the few hand signals I know...

Although, I can't constantly look in my mirrors and monitor every rider...that's where the sweeper's feedback is important.

I don't see myself putting a douchebag rider on the ground and pounding his head to the curb to put him in place....that's not me....unless, it's absolutely necessary..

Useful info though....keep it coming..
I'd be down to help out with that.
There's alot more I could add to that list; knowing how often to stop for fuel depending on the individual bikes in the group, when to take a break depending on weather conditions (heat), etc...

There was a thread awhile back where I think it was DeadFred who was crashed into by some idiot who was riding like a jackass and well out of his skill set. No one stopped the ride and asked him to leave, and he eventually smoked the guy in front of him on a turn causing injury to both...stuff like that could be prevented!


The way I see it, a group leader is responsible for everyone on the ride. Accidents happen, I get it, but you'd have to ask yourself if you did EVERYTHING possible to avoid it.
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Ill nominate Bevo, Helios, and Texlurch.

And New Rider...cuz we taught him.
Texlurch - hands down.

From the pre-ride meeting, breaks during the ride, preparedness, to the end, he never stops leading and mentoring. His pace is always set based on skill of the group he's leading.

Unfortunately, my second nomination has to go posthumously to Coach Dave. During his short time as part of our family, he was, by far, the greatest mentor. He was always willing to learn to be a better rider and share his knowledge with others. Not to mention, he had the most infectious smile. CoachDave. What a great memory. That why I love MH.
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This all good, but don't matter how good the leader is, the best advise/requirement for any participating person/noob is "to ride your own ride" and to stay withing their comfort zone. My 2c worth
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Yes! I have been in similar situations.....The gas thing more than once..

We got the distance between riders sorted out after a few rides down to Somerville... The rocks flying off the tires forced riders to back off...

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This all good, but don't matter how good the leader is, the best advise/requirement for any participating person/noob is "to ride your own ride" and to stay withing their comfort zone. My 2c worth
That is good advice. That works for the people that listen. Sometimes though people get too excited, ancy, or feel the need to prove their skills. That needs to be controlled.


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Yes! I have been in similar situations.....The gas thing more than once..
Yeah it can be a pain in the , and really stop a good trip.

BTW There are 3 proper positions to places noobs depending on how you set the group(s) up.

We should definitely have a get together to talk about this stuff for who ever is interested.
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Sounds good..Maybe a bike night or a weekend ride..
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Problem with "ride your own ride" is a noob has no idea what that means.

Noob rides need to cater to the slowest/noobest riders...

I've never been a fan of a ride with mixed groups; trying to get people to put themselves in a spot almost always ends with someone riding over their head.

And I fully agree with Bill.. the leader is responsible for the group.. whether you can see them or not... it's up to you to set the pace that is proper for the group.
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I'd be down to help out with that.
There's alot more I could add to that list; knowing how often to stop for fuel depending on the individual bikes in the group, when to take a break depending on weather conditions (heat), etc...
We have the body of knowledge--it'd be great to pull it together. A pack of us learned about the gas thing the hard way one night. We rode up to Bragg Rd. outside Saratoga...some serious bf nowhere...half of us were rly sweating the gas thing trying to get out of there around 2am. It was getting down to the wire, and I was contemplating pulling aside the group and sending a scout who had the gas to spare out to do recon. We kept running into defunct gas stations. Was nerve wracking. Experience is a harsh teacher.
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In reality, most of the individuals on this forum don't ride the group rides. When I see the list for rides its usually the same names and new riders
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I have to agree. I'm afraid that while it's catchy, the phrase is too cliche and has no concrete meaning for an inexperienced rider. It makes perfect sense to those who have years of experience.

And Texlurch...am I ever gonna get to meet ya?
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Someday if you play your cards right... LOL!!

So far as the gas rule it's simple on group rides. When one stops, we all top off.

My bike is a guzzler so it's usually good for all!
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