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Old 12-31-2011, 06:31 AM   #1
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Illinois passed the stuck red light law.

http://www.chicagonow.com/motorcycle...by-motorcycles

Need to get Texas on board with this as well. In any event it sitill would pay to be careful.
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Old 12-31-2011, 06:36 AM   #2
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I've noticed the stuck at red lights thing isn't a problem when I ride with Harley riders...

Very cool of Illinois. I hope we have that law here soon.
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Old 12-31-2011, 09:07 AM   #3
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Cool! I've always used the old kickstand to trigger the signal.
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Cool! I've always used the old kickstand to trigger the signal.
you have an old kick stand on your monster?
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Cool! I've always used the old kickstand to trigger the signal.
that's great...except the new camera system could care less about you kickstand
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Wait, this doesn't hold true?

"As stated in Texas Transportation Code (TRC) 544.0075 certain traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signals are required to be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle."
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:09 AM   #7
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I have been stuck at lights on the bike. I think this is a good law - especially after a couple of minutes and no other traffic.

Bikes just don't weigh enough to trigger the light. I don't really see how a kickstand is going to change that?
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Wait, this doesn't hold true?

"As stated in Texas Transportation Code (TRC) 544.0075 certain traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signals are required to be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle."
I guess not. Maybe it isn't set up for bikes + rider < 500 lbs.
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Wait, this doesn't hold true?

"As stated in Texas Transportation Code (TRC) 544.0075 certain traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signals are required to be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle."
that law is still kinda new, not all places have "fixed" the lights to comply.
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I have been stuck at lights on the bike. I think this is a good law - especially after a couple of minutes and no other traffic.

Bikes just don't weigh enough to trigger the light. I don't really see how a kickstand is going to change that?
in road triggers do not work off weight, they creat a magnetic field and work off the metal in the vehicle. hence the "old kickstand trick"
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in road triggers do not work off weight, they creat a magnetic field and work off the metal in the vehicle. hence the "old kickstand trick"
So, all the metal on the bike won't trigger it, but a tiny kickstand will? And there is no metal dragging the road under my car, either.

I don't pretend to know how they work. I just know they don't.
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most "sport" bikes are mostly aluminum.....not magnetic. with a car, there is enough metal to disturb the mag field of a road sensor. one trick I always used is to stop on top of a line with the front tire on top of an intersecting line. that way it makes the most of what little metal my bike has
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So, all the metal on the bike won't trigger it, but a tiny kickstand will? And there is no metal dragging the road under my car, either.

I don't pretend to know how they work. I just know they don't.
Putting the kickstand down puts magnetic metal close enough to the sensor to trigger it. It always worked for me at the bissonnet/kirby intersection.
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Most sport bikes have aluminum kickstands. My harley has metal.
If I'm stopped at a red light and there are no other cars at the intersection, I treat it as a four way stop.
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that's great...except the new camera system could care less about you kickstand
thats what tucked plates r for and running the toll rd ect.
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hmm... I distinctly remember learning about this in my MSF class.

We were told that you are to wait through 2 cycles of the light. If the light still has not recognized you there, it is then considered a "malfunctioning traffic light" and it is to be treated as a stop sign.

Sec. 544.0075. CERTAIN TRAFFIC-ACTUATED ELECTRIC TRAFFIC-CONTROL SIGNALS. (a) This section applies only to a traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signal that consists of a traffic-control signal for which the intervals vary according to the demands of vehicular traffic as registered by a detector and that is installed and operating at an intersection.

(b) In addition to any other type of vehicle the presence of which the detector for the traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signal may register, the detector for a traffic-actuated electric traffic-control device to which this section applies must be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle.


^^ If it is not registering your motorcycle, then it is malfunctioning.... however I cannot find anything stating that if a traffic signal is malfunctioning, then you treat it as a stop sign. I've only found one that states if it is completely inoperable then you may treat it as a stop sign.
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Camera's now control the lights so no need for the law
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Wait, this doesn't hold true?

"As stated in Texas Transportation Code (TRC) 544.0075 certain traffic-actuated electric traffic-control signals are required to be capable of registering the presence of a motorcycle."

That does hold true; however, running the red light is still an offense. I received a ticket for this a while back and went to fight it in court. I had a thread on here about it somewhere. Officer didn't show up, so it was dismissed and I don't know which way the judge would have ruled. That was the only time I actually wanted the cop to be there... I actually wanted to fight this one out

The whole kickstand down and/or magnet trick doesn't ever seem to work for me... so I just run it.
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Camera's now control the lights so no need for the law

true... but is holes like alvin, where they still rock the mag system, cameras have yet to manifest. and even when they do, they still have to be aimed properly.
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