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Old 12-14-2011, 12:40 PM   #21
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w/ or w/o lid?

so therefore nobody has?
I did not have a lid on. The bottom line is we can what-if every single thing to death or we can pull the Govt out of our mouths and live life without Big Brother telling us what we can and cant do.

And what about people veering to avoid animals in the road and crashing? Should we ban animals?
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I support this fight againts the helmet laws specialy if you ride a 03-04 636 hit me up if don't use a helmet I got dibs on your bike when you die.
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One can understand 99.999999% of everything that's ever occurred in all of history just by following the money trail. QUESTION: does anyone stand to make a buck by requiring people to purchase certain things, like helmets? Hmm?

Dude, there's no end to the idea of needing Big Brother to protect us from ourselves. Any and every tangible object or activity can be dangerous or deadly. Even if taken to the extreme, guess what, wrapping yourself in bubble wrap is a quick way to choke or trip.

So what comes next after the helmet law? Armored jacket laws? Glove laws? Boot laws? Day-glo laws? (think I'm kidding - look at Europe: Day-glo laws for real!) Mandatory electronic speed limiters?

I wear a helmet pretty much religiously and am all in favor of ATGATT. I think people are dangerously stupid for riding pure squid. However, I will always favor in side of freedom and the right to make adult choices, even ones I think are stupid. the mandatory helmet law, and every other act of communism Uncle Sam tries to shove down our throats.
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I'm just a little curious. Those of you who think we should have a helmet law, how many of you stunt on the highway?
Does the thing by my left hand make the wheelies??
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Does the thing by my left hand make the wheelies??
I use the thing on the right
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I'll support this when my insurance companies give me a discount for always wearing a helmet. Why should MY premiums be higher because the next guy wants to be an idiot?
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I'll support this when my insurance companies give me a discount for always wearing a helmet. Why should MY premiums be higher because the next guy wants to be an idiot?
if everyone is forced to wear one, then for sure you insurance company will not give you a discount for doing what everyone else does too...
and they are not going to lower your premiums in general when/if everyone is forced to wear one... they simply are not going to take any money out of their pocket that they do not have to.
The federal government simply has no constitutional authority to do this.
The courts have waffled on this blackmail issue in the past too, somethings they have upheld and others they have thrown out....
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hmm..........guy cruising along no lid........bug/bird/rock hits guy in face....guy looses control....veers, car freaks, veers.......accident........

then obviously, since he's a sportbike rider, he has no medical ins. so we the public gets to pay for his medical bills.

naw that would never happen.
why should the public pay his medical bills...no insurance, no money... die.
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why should the public pay his medical bills...no insurance, no money... die.
What this guy said ^^^
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why should the public pay his medical bills...no insurance, no money... die.
agreed, but unfor. thats not reality.
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I see nothing wrong with the government making it mandatory to wear a helmet. They did it with seat belts and that's done nothing but save lives. Sometimes thing need to be done for the greater good.
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agreed, but unfor. thats not reality.
Exactly, hospitals don't leave you to die just because you don't have insurance.

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and they are not going to lower your premiums in general when/if everyone is forced to wear one.
My premiums were a helluva lot lower in California where the helmet law is enforced. This is where you can ride year round, and the roads are a lot more twisty. Why do you think my rates were lower there?

Less deaths/serious injuries = less payouts = lower rates.

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My premiums were a helluva lot lower in California where the helmet law is enforced. This is where you can ride year round, and the roads are a lot more twisty. Why do you think my rates were lower there?

Less deaths/serious injuries = less payouts = lower rates.
the reality is if you die, it's much cheaper. having somebody on life support as a veg. for the rest of their lives is very exp.

in '09 CA was #3 behind, TX and Fla for m/c deaths, by like 10 people, so not a whole lot really.

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I see nothing wrong with the government making it mandatory to wear a helmet. They did it with seat belts and that's done nothing but save lives. Sometimes thing need to be done for the greater good.
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the reality is if you die, it's much cheaper. having somebody on life support as a veg. for the rest of their lives is very exp.

in '09 CA was #3 behind, TX and Fla for m/c deaths, by like 10 people, so not a whole lot really.

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Something that isnt factored in here. Other Traffic laws ect. I saw on another thread that in Cali its ok for bikes to split lanes. That has to account for a few saved lives.
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the reality is if you die, it's much cheaper. having somebody on life support as a veg. for the rest of their lives is very exp.

in '09 CA was #3 behind, TX and Fla for m/c deaths, by like 10 people, so not a whole lot really.

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Good info RacerX...

Like I mentioned before, people can and do ride year round in California unlike in TX (except for the few hardcore). Just having a number for the total number of deaths/year doesn't say that much. A better number would be something like total number of miles ridden/deaths and serious injuries. I don't think these kind of statistics are available.

Edit: Also, California has more motorcycle riders than Texas.

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/ohim/hs03/htm/mv1.htm

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I've been hit in the face with a bird. I didnt smash into traffic.
Have you ever been hit in the face with a CBR1000RR?
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I havent had the pleasure.
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