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Old 12-12-2011, 10:26 PM   #41
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The officer was doing his job. they do block traffic when escorting as it is part of their gig.

While I don't like the part where I get pulled over and get a ticket for MY bad choice I still respect what they do and why they are here. There is no proof he was drinking and by the sounds of it might not ever be proof. It's at this point hear say. How do you not see an officer with bright lights on in an intersection? you shouldn't be speeding or even hitting the speed limit at an intersection imho. I was always told to slow it down some and look around, not text or talk on the phone, eat etc etc. Not trying to start anything but am having a hard time with this new thing on Motohouston where everything is FTP this and FTP that. It hasn't always been like that and is not welcome here. everyone is welcome to an opinion, it's just upsetting to see that a man is down and people can't put aside his career choice and instead throw out "ftp" . wish the man well and move on. I remember speaking to an officer in Galveston who said they were not allowed to wear full on gear. It's part of the dress code I'm sure but didn't get into much of a discussion because we were ran off by the harley crowd at mardi gras while trying to join in some parade we didn't fill out paper work for (others hadn't either but we were targeted) typical. that's another story but anyways what i'm saying is i dont think they can just go pick up a full leather suit and have on the best racing boots out there
Not that I agree with the FTP statements, but please don't have any malice or resentment from someone posting their own opinions on a PUBLIC forum. Yeah, it sucks that the went down. Most bikes cops i've seen DO NOT wear the appropriate gear for their rides. Mostly dept issued gear. One would think they would set a better example of wearing more gear. But alas, that's why we have the freedom of choice (within the limits of the law). Honestly, I agree with both sides. Sometimes I do say FTP, but it's usually garnered for the bad ones giving the good ones a bad name. Other times, I recognize the good cops for doing a great selfless job.

Whole point to this post? Dont retaliate to someone who has a right to their own opinion. Gotta stay neutral, if your a mod, wether you disagree with them or not. Otherwise, dont be a mod. Be a regular joe like us...
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HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Alert, but in a lot of pain -- that's the description of a longtime Pasadena police sergeant who was hit by a car while helping clear traffic for a funeral procession Monday.

Pasadena Sergeant Matt Novotny is surrounded by his family and his colleagues in law enforcement. The driver who hit him may have been at fault. She told us she's praying that Sgt. Novotny makes a speedy recovery.

Sgt. Novotny was loaded into a Life Flight helicopter after he was critically injured in an accident while escorting a funeral procession in southwest Houston. Police say the motorcade was traveling from St. Benedict Catholic Church on West Fuqua when Sgt. Novotny pulled into the intersection in order to stop traffic when he and was struck by a blue Honda SUV.

"She hit him and knocked him up in the air," said eyewitness Cesar Chopp. "He fell right there in the street and knocked his motorcycle over toward McDonalds."

Police investigating the accident conducted a field sobriety test on the driver, who was visibly shaken, but say they don't believe alcohol was a factor.

Habiba Hanim said, "I cannot believe it."

Hanim told us the light was green, so she thought she had the right of way.

"People cannot stop their car all of a sudden, all of a sudden," she said. "You should put a signal or something or they should put the blink light issuing a stop or something. I don't know. I just don't know."

Novotny, a 32 year veteran of the force, suffered a broken pelvis and is said to be conscious and alert but in a lot of pain. His is wife and son rushed to Memorial Hermann Hospital to be by his side.

Pasadena Police Chief M.W. Thaler said, "We're just looking forward to getting the sergeant taken care of up here and get home, back home with his family as soon as we can."

The Houston Police Department is handling the investigation. The driver was ticketed for failure to yield right of way, and released.


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From what I understand he had traffic completely stopped at the intersection but there were lanes that were open. All it takes is one driver to see a green light and they will take the first available open lane not knowing an officer is in the intersection holding traffic.
Wait I don't understand how she doesn't see him. He had traffic at the intersection at a standstill and she doesn't see him? Isn't that a hint theres something wrong with the picture if you're the only one going through the light when everyone else is standing there? I'm sure he had his lights on. How do you miss flashing lights?
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I think the media edited the witness and drivers quote. I think after they made their statement to the reporter, they said "FTP"

Hope he is well. I guess as the one "insider" said, there might have been alcohol involved and they are trying to put it on the innocent cager. FTP

I hope the Sgt gets better soon; this kind of is hard on families.

Funny thing is, I have never had anyone come up to me in public and just start mother me to my face for my profession. And this includes car forums and motorcycle forums in 15 yrs or so....
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Whole point to this post? Dont retaliate to someone who has a right to their own opinion. Gotta stay neutral, if your a mod, wether you disagree with them or not. Otherwise, dont be a mod. Be a regular joe like us...
I disagree.

We gotta try to stay away from cop bashing. If a cop stops you and with you, yeah ok, you've got an opinion whether what he did was within the law or not. But if a cop goes down while doing his job and people for no reason jump in and start bashing cops, that's just not acceptable. You can state your opinion all day long, as long as it falls within our forum guidelines.
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I guess the mods deleted your post.

Id shake your hand and say the same thing to you......
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I disagree.

We gotta try to stay away from cop bashing. If a cop stops you and with you, yeah ok, you've got an opinion whether what he did was within the law or not. But if a cop goes down while doing his job and people for no reason jump in and start bashing cops, that's just not acceptable. You can state your opinion all day long, as long as it falls within our forum guidelines.
I know there's certain guidlines we all have to abide by, but please do not cloak your animosities of someone saying something bad about LEO's around the shroud of "forum guidelines". That's not cool. Neither is bashing LEO's, I agree. 100%.

And when I say "your", im being general. In case you were wondering....
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I guess I don't get it. Someone didn't follow forum rules and got infracted. They kept at it then got banned. It happens all the time on the board, LEO related or not. Can you show me what animosity you're refering to outside of "not" following forum guidelines?
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I guess I don't get it. Someone didn't follow forum rules and got infracted. They kept at it then got banned. It happens all the time on the board, LEO related or not. Can you show me what animosity you're refering to outside of "not" following forum guidelines?
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I guess i'm wrong, since this is the only rule i've seen relating to LEO statements. And when im saying animosities, that's not necessarily directed at you helios. Im generalizing. My whole point is, if it explicitly goes beyond the rules set forth via the forum, I understand. I AGREE 100%. But as such, I don't see an outline regarding freedom of expression, opinion, speech etc. etc.

Unless chris would like to amend the forum rules to include that "guidline".

But then wouldnt that be like all the other politicians that we argue about all the time on here, wanting to amend or change the constitution to suit "their" needs?
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I guess i'm wrong, since this is the only rule i've seen relating to LEO statements. And when im saying animosities, that's not necessarily directed at you helios. Im generalizing. My whole point is, if it explicitly goes beyond the rules set forth via the forum, I understand. I AGREE 100%. But as such, I don't see an outline regarding freedom of expression, opinion, speech etc. etc.

Unless chris would like to amend the forum rules to include that "guidline".

But then wouldnt that be like all the other politicians that we argue about all the time on here, wanting to amend or change the constitution to suit "their" needs?
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It was deleted by me. Do you think that's within the guidelines and ok to post?
Even if the member that it was directed to wasn't a cop, it still aint right.
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^^^This was directed to a member on the board that is a cop.
It was deleted by me. Do you think that's within the guidelines and ok to post?
Even if the member that it was directed to wasn't a cop, it still aint right.
That's where I agree with you. He could've sent it to him via PM. To me, it's a threat or derogatory comment to another member. Not cool. So, in that situation, then yes, I side with you....

Im not talking about stuff like that. Im just talking about if I wanna say FTP, I feel im entitled to my opinion.

Now, if I say FTP, and one of the many leo's chime in and I say it DIRECTLY to them, well of course, ban away....
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That's where I agree with you. He could've sent it to him via PM. To me, it's a threat or derogatory comment to another member. Not cool. So, in that situation, then yes, I side with you....

Im not talking about stuff like that. Im just talking about if I wanna say FTP, I feel im entitled to my opinion.

Now, if I say FTP, and one of the many leo's chime in and I say it DIRECTLY to them, well of course, ban away....
I did actually infract which sends a pm, and then he called me out. I responded. Its whatever. If there is a problem with how I mod take it to dino or chris.

Sucks the thread goes off in this direction instead of discussing the accident and the parties involved. Can the thread be saved... Hmmm

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Well, that's what me and helios were discussing. Healthy debate and chat....

As for on-topic, hope he pulls through. Let's hope this story doesn't end up like the other one a couple of months ago when that officer ran into that school bus and was intoxicated. Doesn't seem like that in this situation. Like one of the members stated earlier, I do not understand how if a civilian driver can not see flashing lights during the day. She must have not been paying attention....
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Strange, first thing the wife told me when I got home was how some moto cop was acting crazy on the road as he was escorting a funeral procession in pasadena

said he pulled right out in front of her, no lights on or anything.

She was confused about why the officer stoped her lane because the procession was going the other direction

she also commented another moto cop was swerving like he was drunk....those were her exact words
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I for one will not miss that guy, 80% of his posts were "FTP", don't think were missing much.

HFMIC, I guess saying it to your face will be his only option now because he's no longer welcome to say it here.
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Im not talking about stuff like that. Im just talking about if I wanna say FTP, I feel im entitled to my opinion.

Now, if I say FTP, and one of the many leo's chime in and I say it DIRECTLY to them, well of course, ban away....
If you say FTP, you *are* saying it directly to us.

FTP is not an "opinion". Opinions have substance, purpose, a theme. FTP is just bigotry for public servants whose job is to keep order. When you say it, its only purpose is to express that bigotry.
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If you say FTP, you *are* saying it directly to us.

FTP is not an "opinion". Opinions have substance, purpose, a theme. FTP is just bigotry for public servants whose job is to keep order. When you say it, its only purpose is to express that bigotry.
Its a broad generalization. I have a few really good friends that are law enforcement and I have great respect for them. I have also had some really bad encounters with some really bad law enforcement in which their actions were totally uncalled for. I dont know you personally but hopefully and you sound like you are one of the good ones. Thank You for that. But unfortunately there is many in your profession that are not. Its jsut a sad fact of the world we live in in any profession.

But to stay on the case. Once again hopefully this particular guy was not one of the ones not driving safely. I also could easily see how this guy could get hit. With many intersections being multiple lanes, there could have been one lane open with the others stopped. He could have been sitting where he was not visible from where the lady was coming. As she aproached the intersection she couldnt see him. Prob had her head up her and texting and even with lights on a motorcycle is still small. and boom. I think she is still COMPLETELY in the wrong but I could see how it is possible.
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