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Old 12-06-2011, 07:38 AM   #1
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yes they were released w/o being charged
yes it cost them $ togo to court

i've heard of riders being sued for leading rides where crashes occured.

dunno the outcome, but it cost $ to defend yourself.

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Group riding death bikers cleared
Judge uses common sense in decision over tragic case

Posted: 6 December 2011
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FIVE bikers, charged with death by dangerous driving after a rider and pillion in their group were killed after a collision with a car, have been released with no charge.

Judge Geoffrey Marson at Leeds Crown Court said yesterday that he was satisfied there was no case of 'racing' when Dean and Helen Slater died on August 25th 2010.

The prosecution laid blame on the group of riders, Ian Towson, 32, Paul Wheater, 29, Michael Paul Hannon, 27, Dax Lerman, 29 and David Jason Hastings, 37 and claimed they were guilty of causing death by dangerous driving through a joint enterprise as their actions they were encouraging each other to drive at dangerously high speeds.

The judge said that Mr Slater is thought to have lost control due to excessive speed, compounded by braking when riding over a bridge and faced with a car coming in the other direction.

“There is no evidence from which a jury properly directed could safely conclude that the way in which any of these defendants rode in some way caused Mr Slater to ride dangerously or caused him to continue to ride dangerously.

“Mr Slater, on the evidence, made a voluntary and informed decision to ride in the way that he did rather than in another way. The cause of death was the free, deliberate and informed decision of Mr Slater and no one else.”

Judge Marson said it was clear over the course of the journey up to the outskirts of Boston Spa 'these motorcycles had at times been ridden well in excess of the relevant speed limits'.

“Each rider made his own decision to ride in the way he did,” said Judge Geoffrey Marson.


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1. It says they were cleared (of wrong doing)
2. I guess I'll start making riders sign a release
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....just have to remember that 'common sense', isn't all that common.



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1. It says they were cleared (of wrong doing)
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At one time there were releases being signed on group rides...
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yes they were released w/o being charged
think they "defended" themselves or hired attys ?
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I'm not saying it didn't cost them $$$ for representation, but you wrote:
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I'm not saying it didn't cost them $$$ for representation, but you wrote:
dunno the outcome, is in ref. to the 2nd case of group leaders being sued, and that was here in TX, btw, dunno the outcome to that one.

guess my orig. was unclear.
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dunno the outcome, is in ref. to the 2nd case of group leaders being sued, and that was here in TX, btw, dunno the outcome to that one.

guess my orig. was unclear.
Did you provide a link to the Texas story?
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Ah, that's why there was confusion
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And the point of bringing up something from a few years ago was...?

Whats in your wicked little mind X? lolz :look:
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Sued? Now that is just stupid... some people....
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simple truth is if I do not know you and how you ride, I am not going to ride with you...
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Isnt this sort of the chicken or the egg thing? How do you know how they ride if you havent ridden with them before?
a fair question...
when you go to meets and see folks come and go, you listen to them talk about the rides they have been on... you hear the fools brag about the foolish things they have done... you kind of get an idea how they ride...
I never said someone had to be an expert rider, but I do have to be convinced their videos do not need editing.
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Sued? Now that is just stupid... some people....
Few years back.. a weekly spirited ride was having weekly riders down, and an occasional run from the PoPo... many comments were made about chilling it down and went unheeded.. someone died and a lawsuit resulted

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I never said someone had to be an expert rider, but I do have to be convinced their videos do not need editing.
That right there is funny... don't care who you are...
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So, would it help if ride posts had a disclaimer attached to it....stating that every rider was responsible for themselves...and no on will be held accountable for any mishaps?
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wouldn't hurt, but the reality is you could be sued for almost anything, doesn't mean it'll hold up in ct, but you still gotta pay to defend yourself.
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