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Old 12-03-2011, 11:52 AM   #1
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Acceleration vs breaking at the track.

Watching this video you can clearly see different bikes have different attributes, and riders and racers can have completely different skill sets.

Notice Rainey's Yamaha outright pulling power and Schwantz's ungodly ability to brake (and trailbrake) extremely hard without losing traction or overly upsetting the chassis.

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Old 12-03-2011, 12:36 PM   #2
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Very nice. I can't believe the ground that Schwantz made up on the brakes. This is one area that I need a lot of improvement on the track.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:50 PM   #3
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good lord Schwantz is a beast on the brakes.
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Fun to watch, wow. In 1971-2 I was racing Ski-Doo blizzards for a Durango, CO dealer. We went to a racing clinic with Yvon DuHamel up in Denver. He stressed using the newly introduced disc brakes, and winning in the corners. Polaris had introduced their phenomenal TX machines the previous year with much more high end than our Rotax free air triples. On cross-country races the Polaris team always won, but on the oval track we could hold our own, and the Arctic Cats were also very competitive, and Sno Jet thunder jets. Lots of memories.. I don't think anyone beat a Polaris, in any cc category that year on the drag strip, or time trials. We also juiced up our fuel mix that year: methanol/diesel blends, varied for altitude, and we spiked our tracks especially on icy conditions. For some reason the Rotax engines performed better above 10,000' than the TX. We melted a lot of engines that year. We never figured that one out. The colder it was, the faster those two stroke triples would go. If it got above 30 degrees, the engines would fry.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:27 AM   #6
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The Suzuki was lacking in acceleration compared to the yamaha,so schwantz was having to use his strong point to make up time.Always wondered how some of the greats would have ridden if on the same machinery
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:32 AM   #7
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Fun to watch, wow. In 1971-2 I was racing Ski-Doo blizzards for a Durango, CO dealer. We went to a racing clinic with Yvon DuHamel up in Denver. He stressed using the newly introduced disc brakes, and winning in the corners. Polaris had introduced their phenomenal TX machines the previous year with much more high end than our Rotax free air triples. On cross-country races the Polaris team always won, but on the oval track we could hold our own, and the Arctic Cats were also very competitive, and Sno Jet thunder jets. Lots of memories.. I don't think anyone beat a Polaris, in any cc category that year on the drag strip, or time trials. We also juiced up our fuel mix that year: methanol/diesel blends, varied for altitude, and we spiked our tracks especially on icy conditions. For some reason the Rotax engines performed better above 10,000' than the TX. We melted a lot of engines that year. We never figured that one out. The colder it was, the faster those two stroke triples would go. If it got above 30 degrees, the engines would fry.


Now my story begins in Nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen the wold "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

Then the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:39 AM   #8
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Ohh, and yeah, great vid.
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Now my story begins in Nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen the wold "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

Then the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:06 PM   #10
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Now my story begins in Nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen the wold "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

Then the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
Well you're really asking two questions there. The first one takes me back to 1934. Admiral Burn had just reached the pole, only hours ahead of the Three Stooges...

...And I guess he won the argument, but I walked away with the turnips. The following morning I resigned my commission with the coastguard. The next thing I knew there was civil war in Spain...

...And, that's everything which happened in my life right up to the time I got this phone call...
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Now my story begins in Nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen the wold "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

Then the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
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Incredible duel between those two. Really makes it apparent to see the differences between styles and skills, fantastic vid.
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this video feels very familiar to my R6 and some of the liter bikes out there, very frustrating, til you pass them
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