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Old 12-05-2011, 03:11 PM   #61
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This is a very interesting point. What do instructors get out of it?
Why should they bother instructing at all?
Maybe that is a subject that those who want to instruct should take up with the trackday organizations, no body wants to work for free...
but then again, I wonder if the forum is the place to talk about that as all/most of us are potential customers...
Some folks that you think may be "volunteering" are actually getting paid or compensated in some way. With us, all of our instructors foot their own bill except the occasional hotel room or meal from MacMan (even customers get fed by him though, so not just staff perks ).

Why do they do it? What do they get out of it?

Well, since I can only speak from our org, I can say that our group (which is small, purposefully, and has almost no turn-over; again by design) does it because these dudes and dudettes just love it. Each of them has a genuine ability and knack for imparting knowledge and our student feedback has always reflected that. From our noobiest noobs to the fastest racers who take our 1:1 instruction Advanced Rider School, we consistently get kudos from our staff because they love to teach and they're really good at it. Job satisfaction at it's finest IMHO. I imagine that's why any "good" instructor does it.

For (coming up on) 12 years now we have had essentially the same staff of instructors remain with us. We've added some along the way, we've lost a very few, but the core group is the same. And they do it for free.

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Old 12-13-2011, 11:25 PM   #63
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I take my students on a case by case basis. I ask each individual student what their goals are and what areas THEY think they need improvements on. I then take their bike into consideration when teaching them the correct "line" if that is their area they need work on. An SV line will be completely different than a gsxr1000 line. Even 600's have different lines.
I do this with each area they request attention to. I have yet to have a student, in both lvl 1 and 2, who simply did not have an area they felt they needed work in, or a student who couldn't find the right words to tell me what they needed work in. If the case does ever come up, i'll simple follow them and make my decisions based on what I see and let them know my opinions of areas they need improvements.

My point is this, we can go back and forth on what an instructor should or should not do, but we can not simply come up with 1 universal statement or guideline that will cover every student or every instructor with every bike on every track. An instructor has to have the ability to adapt to each student/bike/track/weather/tires..etc situation and come up with a game plan on the spot on how to help that student get around the track in a safer and hopefully quicker time than they did when they came to the track that day. Communication is definitely key there though!
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:29 AM   #64
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My point is this, we can go back and forth on what an instructor should or should not do, but we can not simply come up with 1 universal statement or guideline that will cover every student or every instructor with every bike on every track. An instructor has to have the ability to adapt to each student/bike/track/weather/tires..etc situation and come up with a game plan on the spot on how to help that student get around the track in a safer and hopefully quicker time than they did when they came to the track that day. Communication is definitely key there though!
Well said. Personality is also key. I recently started MMA training and had great eye opening experiance. Coming from an environment where I'm comfortable and being the instructor , I was now the "noob lvl1" if you will, student. After a few diffrent instructors I finaly found one that I connected with an it all fell into place. Not to say the others suck, but there are certain personality traits that appeal to certain people. Another thing I noticed and applied to track instructing was, I have no freakin clue what I need to work on so I don't knw what to ask. He saw where I was struggling and showed me the right way. Not just telling me but accually "hands on" (and let me tell ya he didn't hold back) and then physically put me in the right spot. What I thought was interesting was he disnt try to make feel good or sugar coat anything. That made my learning increase dramatically. Afterwards when we talked I told him how helpfully it was and he said something that I just loved ..." you pay me to teach YOU to fight, if you lose that means I failed! It's in my best intrest to ensure your success ."
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I think the instructors should pit with their students. It seems so basic, yet would help so much.
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So how does work logistically ?
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So how does work logistically ?
Each instructor usually has, or should have 4-5 in his group. So when the instructor pits he can leave room for his students to pit with him. That way after each session they can discuss it.
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I agree.. Less running around too!!
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