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Old 11-28-2011, 01:00 PM   #41
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If your going to get upset dont let it be over a stupid little post on a forum.
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Question for the OP, and any other sportbike rider who asks questions about the cruisers' gear selections...

How fast do you go on your bike?

Do you hit triple digits on state roads, streets, or highways?

Have you ever seen a Harley rider, and decided to just put the jets to your bike just to show off?

Do you think gear will help if you wipe out at those kinds of speeds?

I am a police collision reconstructionist. I investigate some of the worst wrecks around Houston. I will attest before and everyone that the ratio of bikes involved in fatal accidents is overwhelmingly sportbikes, and overwhelmingly involves them riding entirely too fast. Every other reconstructionist I know is of the same thought process.

So why are you worried about what cruisers are doing or wearing? It's like some of the sportbike crowd has this fixation on the Harley crowd. Harley riders certainly aren't worried about you, I assure you.
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Guys I want to say, please don't throw "Harley" in as the common word for "Cruiser Style" bikes. Many of the Bikers/Cruisers you see are not Harleys but rather Yamahas, Choppers, Suzukis, Hondas etc. Yes most are Harleys, but please dont stereotype all Bikers as Harley bikes. I ride a Harley and always ride with helmet, Gloves, Pants, Jacket etc.
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I am a police collision reconstructionist. I investigate some of the worst wrecks around Houston. I will attest before and everyone that the ratio of bikes involved in fatal accidents is overwhelmingly sportbikes, and overwhelmingly involves them riding entirely too fast. Every other reconstructionist I know is of the same thought process.

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while i agree w/ alot you said

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811389.pdf
this pub. does not differ sportbike vs "cruiser"

why is it that 40+y.o. riders(typ. cruiser riders) are the highest # of rider deaths? pg 3

an i'm sure but it looks like 72% of them were alky impaired
pg 6

and 65% that died were NOT helmeted vs 35% were
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Do you think gear will help if you wipe out at those kinds of speeds?
Uhm... I would say abso-freakin-lutely! Impact will still suck, and you'll probably slide far enough to wear through whatever part of the gear is sliding... But I'd rather that then to have my scraping asphalt for the duration of the slide.
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I am a police collision reconstructionist. I investigate some of the worst wrecks around Houston. I will attest before and everyone that the ratio of bikes involved in fatal accidents is overwhelmingly sportbikes, and overwhelmingly involves them riding entirely too fast. Every other reconstructionist I know is of the same thought process.
you should keep an eye out for the RIP threads because a SHITLOAD% are actually cruisers.
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the reality is that as a % wise, more sportbikers die compared to the # of sportbikers out there. but there are ALOT more cruiser riders, and they just sheer outnumber the sportbikers in riders and death.

and while LCF and his buddys are prob. older and don't want to see the reality becuase it resembles themselves, old guys on cruisers die as often if not more then sportbikes guys
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Harley riders certainly aren't worried about you, I assure you.
I'll bet their puckers when they are headed in the opposite direction on the outside of a turn separated only by a yellow stripe.
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Uhm... I would say abso-freakin-lutely! Impact will still suck, and you'll probably slide far enough to wear through whatever part of the gear is sliding... But I'd rather that then to have my scraping asphalt for the duration of the slide.
Here is where your notions go entirely off kilter. Take that nice leisurely slide on the concrete and add a curb, fence post, or any other stationary object. Your gear will help you not a lick. It may make you presentable in your casket, however.

Delta-V is what kills. Nothing else. Change in velocity.

Yeah, the gear will save you road rash. Still... who is being hypocritical about safety? In my world, it's the guy all geared up to the nines and riding 120 MPH down the freeway. THAT is the bigger fool, not the Harley rider who wears a brain bucket.

I've seen it SO many times.
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and 65% that died were NOT helmeted vs 35% were
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btw, thats TX data.
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Yeah and all black children have crackhead parents, and all white children are the result of inbreeding, and all middle eastern children are getting blown up, and all asian children will eventually own a honda/toyota and crash multiple times.

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"In 2009, 35 percent of all motorcycle riders involved in fatal crashes were speeding"

"Helmets are estimated to be 37-percent effective in preventing fatal injuries to motorcycle riders and 41 percent for motorcycle passengers."

By this, it's roughly a wash, isn't it? If you're driving like a maniac, you're taking the same risk as if you were not wearing a helmet.

Also note the engine displacement in that study that talks about percentages. Most of the cruisers are greater than 1000cc. And you can add the under-500 cc to the "not cruiser" list as well. You'll note that those are the greatest fatalities.

I think there are more riders are over 40, which is why more riders over 40 are involved in fatal accidents, and that's about all.
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By the way, I'll never deny that helmets are lifesaving. I just think someone who worries about other people's gear but rides like a bat out of is pretty much a hypocrite, and ought to concern themselves with their own safety. That is all.
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Guys I want to say, please don't throw "Harley" in as the common word for "Cruiser Style" bikes. Many of the Bikers/Cruisers you see are not Harleys but rather Yamahas, Choppers, Suzukis, Hondas etc. Yes most are Harleys, but please dont stereotype all Bikers as Harley bikes. I ride a Harley and always ride with helmet, Gloves, Pants, Jacket etc.
I agree 100% I also ride a Harley, and never get on mine without my full gear. It's a riders choice, not the type of bike they ride.
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Also note the engine displacement in that study that talks about percentages. Most of the cruisers are greater than 1000cc. And you can add the under-500 cc to the "not cruiser" list as well. You'll note that those are the greatest fatalities.


I think there are more riders are over 40, which is why more riders over 40 are involved in fatal accidents, and that's about all.
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the reality is that as a % wise, more sportbikers die compared to the # of sportbikers out there. but there are ALOT more cruiser riders, and they just sheer outnumber the sportbikers in riders and death.

over 1000c is debatable, as somebody pointed out, there are alot of cc cruisers from the makers. since the study doesn't diff. HD and bikes.

and i agree it's sheer numbers, but the reality is that old guys die more often then you guys, and mostly old guys ride cruiser, you stated its young guys dieing more often, and thats incorrect.

being i'm 44 and riding a sportbike i'm an odity in more ways then 1,
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While I can't speak for others...I require myself to wear certain gear (half helmet, glasses, boots, jeans, and gloves) since its my personal choice. I refuse to wear a jacket during summer since I had an incident involving heat exhaustion or dehydration or both. As far as worrying what other people are wearing or not wearing how about quit that . Sports bike conversations/debates never arise when I talk with other cruiser owners. What you ride is a personal choice, what you wear is a personal choice. Why do we have to explain ourselves to you?
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Here is where your notions go entirely off kilter. Take that nice leisurely slide on the concrete and add a curb, fence post, or any other stationary object. Your gear will help you not a lick. It may make you presentable in your casket, however.

Delta-V is what kills. Nothing else. Change in velocity.

Yeah, the gear will save you road rash. Still... who is being hypocritical about safety? In my world, it's the guy all geared up to the nines and riding 120 MPH down the freeway. THAT is the bigger fool, not the Harley rider who wears a brain bucket.

I've seen it SO many times.
I see what you mean. I will point out, though, that doing 120 down the freeway... There aren't that many stationary objects to hit. Unless you find a way to collide head-on with a wall or barrier.
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While I can't speak for others...I require myself to wear certain gear (half helmet, glasses, boots, jeans, and gloves) since its my personal choice. I refuse to wear a jacket during summer since I had an incident involving heat exhaustion or dehydration or both. As far as worrying what other people are wearing or not wearing how about quit that . Sports bike conversations/debates never arise when I talk with other cruiser owners. What you ride is a personal choice, what you wear is a personal choice. Why do we have to explain ourselves to you?
I believe your heat stroke or dehydration is mostly your fault.....the lack of properly hydrating yourself and also the lack of knowledge to pick out suitable gear for the warm summer heat. But that is only my opinion of your mind-set
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I see what you mean. I will point out, though, that doing 120 down the freeway... There aren't that many stationary objects to hit. Unless you find a way to collide head-on with a wall or barrier.
who says it has to be stationary, a veh. doing 60 and "you''re" doing 120 still has a DeltaV of 60.

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