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Old 11-17-2011, 12:15 AM   #1
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Honda RC-E

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Good news for the electric motorcycle market is that Honda appears to be poised to jump into the fray with the RC-E, which Honda will have on display as one of seven Next-Generation Electromotive Concept Models. The RC-E, which according to sources, would incorporate Honda’s already established electric motors from its Hybrid automobiles, has the potential to set the burgeoning electric motorcycle market on its ear.

The only information on the RC-E available from Honda reads as follows:

"An EV version of a super sports bike that pursues the joy of riding. A powerful and smooth ride unique to an EV model is achieved with the 250cc-class compact body."

Sounds good to us! The RC-E concept features a very clean looking superbike chassis wrapped in classically styled bodywork that embraces Honda’s racing heritage. If this road-going electric superbike was to make it into production, then it would certainly have an immediate impact on the e-bike market. For starters, it looks like a factory effort. Whether it is raced or not (And you know that would be the goal) the RC-E has a racing pedigree that the other e-bike manufacturers only wish they had. It seems like a good bet that the Isle of Man TTXGP would be a fitting place to unveil it, too. With the production power of Honda behind it, retail pricing would potentially be lower than other e-bikes.

Last but not least would be the established dealer network that Honda already has in place. It would be difficult for the current start-up OEMs to offer similar levels of support, which in turn could give Honda the benefit of jumping into the game now that the market is wide open. On the flip side, if Honda takes the RC-E concept into production it will help give legitimacy to a market segment currently dominated by young companies.

A close look at the few Honda RC-E Concept Bike images we have reveals some tasty performance potential. For starters, the chassis is centered around the electric motor that appears to be utilized as a key component of the frame. Although there is no way of verifying the frame material, we have to assume it is aluminum. The swingarm attaches to
The Honda RC-E electric motorcycle is being billed as a Next-Generation Electromotive Concept Model that is going to be unveiled at the 42nd Annual Tokyo Motorcycle Show. the motor and a monocoque-style backbone runs up to the steering head. A single Ohlins remote reservoir rear shock appears to be a linkage-less set-up that attaches to the top of the swing arm. All of this would be well-suited to keeping costs down by keeping the design simple. The chassis will roll on a set of 17-inch spoke wheels.

A left-side chain drive and traditional rear brake set-up completes the drive train. Up front a good looking Ohlins inverted fork with radial-mount Brembo calipers and some massive rotors gives the RC-E a superbike pedigree. We assume the belly-pan would house the heavy batteries which would keep the CG low and help the RC-E handle like a motorcycle and less like a bicycle. The bodywork is futuristic Honda retro styling that evokes the Honda racing heritage. Surely, this was intended to tie Honda’s past with its future intentions. As a street bike the RC-E has potential to bring electric motorcycles to the masses. Does anyone remember the Honda Cub?

As an electric race bike, the RC-E seems tailor-made to establish Honda as a force on the racing circuits. Does anyone remember Soichiro Honda’s philosophy that success on the track leads to success on the sales floor? It would seem that Honda is gearing up to bring the electric motorcycle to the masses and we cannot wait to see where this is going. The Honda RC-E concept superbike. Man, does this have some potential.

We would like to invite you to look back at some important motorcycles in Honda History by viewing the Honda Collection Hall photo gallery offered on the right side of this article. The silver, red and yellow livery has been a theme in Honda's racing history.
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Old 11-17-2011, 08:18 AM   #2
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Honda joins the darkside SMH!

I wonder if all the green freaks know that 80% of all electricity in the United States is produced form coal. Coal produces more pollution than gasoline engines. Good Game Environmentalists... go on and save the planet with Electricity....
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I wonder if all the green freaks know that 80% of all electricity in the United States is produced form coal. Coal produces more pollution than gasoline engines. Good Game Environmentalists... go on and save the planet with Electricity....
I don't think you realize the amount of torque that these electric engines can produce. Also, the power is immediate and doesn't have to build up as much as conventional combustion engines.

This has the potential to be a game changer.

SO, let's stop being so political on this board and look at the bigger picture please.
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I don't think you realize the amount of torque that these electric engines can produce. Also, the power is immediate and doesn't have to build up as much as conventional combustion engines.

This has the potential to be a game changer.

SO, let's stop being so political on this board and look at the bigger picture please.
I agree. Should be looking more at performance rather than the green way. I would love to ride an electric bike considering the torque output just to see. More so I would like to see one in person to pick apart with my mind justt to figure out how it workstation
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I don't think you realize the amount of torque that these electric engines can produce. Also, the power is immediate and doesn't have to build up as much as conventional combustion engines.

This has the potential to be a game changer.

SO, let's stop being so political on this board and look at the bigger picture please.
I agree. Should be looking more at performance rather than the green way. I would love to ride an electric bike considering the torque output just to see. More so I would like to see one in person to pick apart with my mind justt to figure out how it works.
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I agree. Should be looking more at performance rather than the green way. I would love to ride an electric bike considering the torque output just to see. More so I would like to see one in person to pick apart with my mind justt to figure out how it works.
Seems like it would work the same as with anthing like an E-R/C car, speed controler, motor, Batt. And the rest is a motorcycle. I did not read the article but these E bikes all need 6Speed or some kind of trans with diff gear ratios.
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I think either zero or brammo motorcycles put a six-speed transmission on an electric bike. Add that to this honda and I'd be tempted. It would be an awesome toy.
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An electric bike would save about 36 bucks a week.
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I don't think you realize the amount of torque that these electric engines can produce. Also, the power is immediate and doesn't have to build up as much as conventional combustion engines.

This has the potential to be a game changer.

SO, let's stop being so political on this board and look at the bigger picture please.

I wasn't being political. I just hate how the green movement is essentially a marketing driven agenda where people who have good intentions are taken advantage of. I have similar issues with hybrids that I could go into/
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It wouldn't be about the cost savings for me. There is a reason that motorcycles use more than just I-4 engine configurations.
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I wasn't being political. I just hate how the green movement is essentially a marketing driven agenda where people who have good intentions are taken advantage of. I have similar issues with hybrids that I could go into/
Lets be honest here.. YOU have issues

IMO electric motors will offer some serious advantages over traditional combustion engines. Especially in terms of torque and noise pollution that combustion can't offer. I do the sound of twins screaming down the straight at TWS (Texas World Speedway) but with the latest sound regulations things are bound to change.

I'm with you on the hybrid thing... just the production impact on the environment kill their green appeal.
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So does hybrid really reduce pollution or not?
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So does hybrid really reduce pollution or not?
The production process of hybrid outweighs the environmental benefits.
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thaz what I heard too. So ride more bicycle..? maybe
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If you look at the pollution caused by power plants it can go from being better than IC engines to being worse. It depends on what sort of power generation is used in the area, and the scope of the view you take. Even aside from the pollution caused by power plants, a lot of electric/hybrid vehicles are not made in the same quantities as IC vehicles. The small production numbers increase inefficiency in their production, adding to the total pollution they cause.
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thaz what I heard too. So ride more bicycle..? maybe
Nope, unless you are trying to lose weight riding a bicycle produces more CO2 emissions than using a 50cc moped. This is because the energy to move the bicycle is produced from the food you eat which is purchased from a store that transports primarily by truck. Now, if you were to lose weight (not sustainable permanently), grow your food in your garden or eat only local produce then a bicycle would be better.

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If you look at the pollution caused by power plants it can go from being better than IC engines to being worse. It depends on what sort of power generation is used in the area, and the scope of the view you take. Even aside from the pollution caused by power plants, a lot of electric/hybrid vehicles are not made in the same quantities as IC vehicles. The small production numbers increase inefficiency in their production, adding to the total pollution they cause.
One can opt to pay a premium and use only wind and solar energy. This allows a break even point to be reached and more e-farms can be "planted".

I don't think this bike would be a viable alternative for me because I have a such a poor choice in live/work locations. G'town to the Med center is not within the realm of possibility for any electric vehicle I've seen other than tesla's stupidly priced awesome product.

If you want an easy to understand reason why hybrids are not that good for the environment google Jeremy Clarkson on the Prius. There are environmentally better options for hybrids, but the economics aren't as pretty and since people aren't willing to shell out for the more expensive option they won't happen soon.
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Its not about pollution, its about oil as a limited resource and the need to remove our dependancy on it.
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As electric and hybrid motors become more mainstream and the development and manufacturing costs go down, a good case for money saving may develop.

As battery tech develops, and their size shrinks, really awesome power to weight ratios may be possible for performance bikes. Right now the battery size is really dragging electric vehicles down, in every sense of the word.
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I wonder if people realize that most conservative oil projections point to us hitting peak in less than 10 years, and having nearly no oil remaining.

Good information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil#Prediction
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