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Old 11-09-2011, 08:21 PM   #1
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Kawasaki has released a very sweet new Ninja 650:

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For me, it checks all the boxes, except one--no ABS. The weight is right, the performance good, fuel injection, decent suspension, nice looks, very competitive price, and reasonable performance. I just do not get why ABS is so rare and or expensive on mid-range sport bikes.

Kawasaki has done a slick marketing job here, and the bike is very pretty. The larger liter bike is nice, but 100# more than I want to try and move around my garage.
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Old 11-09-2011, 08:38 PM   #2
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do you really need abs?
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Old 11-09-2011, 08:50 PM   #3
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I didn't like ABS, It's a strange squishy UN-natural feeling imo. No ABS options would help SELL a bike for me.

Oh and to answer your question why it's so rare on sport bikes, I think it has something to do with keeping costs down and it also adds some more weight. Takes more electronics to run an ABS over a standard breaking system.
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Well, I think so. I have asked the ABS question on this forum and gotten a pretty strong endorsement. ABS on my BMW 330i has saved me from some nasty events on slick Houston freeways. The Triumph Street Triple R is my favorite choice for engine and design, but no ABS.
Also, I told my wife that my "dream bike" must have ABS.
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I've never ridden a bike with ABS that I liked. car and bike braking is so different that it really isn't a great comparison .

Which liter bike are you saying is too big? Your link doesn't work.
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I've never ridden a bike with ABS that I liked. car and bike braking is so different that it really isn't a great comparison .

Which liter bike are you saying is too big? Your link doesn't work.
ooooh, know that I've visited the link I assume it's the 1000 that you're looking at (not the ZX-10R which is what I was thinking). The 1000 is cool. I think I'd rather have that than the 650. For an upright, hooligan/tourer I'd want the extra torque for the street. The 40 extra pounds wouldn't bother me, I don't think, but the 650 does look WAY better than the 1000.
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Well, I think so. I have asked the ABS question on this forum and gotten a pretty strong endorsement. ABS on my BMW 330i has saved me from some nasty events on slick Houston freeways. The Triumph Street Triple R is my favorite choice for engine and design, but no ABS.
Also, I told my wife that my "dream bike" must have ABS.
Abs on bikes is different than on cars.
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502# dry for the 1000 and 460# for the 650? Not very appealing. That's 60# heavier than last year's 650.
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502# dry for the 1000 and 460# for the 650? Not very appealing. That's 60# heavier than last year's 650.
The 2011 650 weighed 450#.
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ABS has it's place on have tourers...to each their own but I don't like it on my bikes.
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This is interesting. I am not into touring, I ride for moderate bursts around Ft. Bend County and area. May I ask how ABS is different on bikes than cars?

I have had no braking problems with my EX500, including plenty of emergency stops dealing with the cagers, squirrels, construction zones and yellow lights on Hwy 90. I would love a Triumph Street Triple R, and the new Ducati Streetfighter is a contender too. My goal: current technology, great handling, fairly upright, moderate weight, reliability, and not much over $11 grand, and that "mojo"--great looking.
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I would find the ABS a reason not to buy the bike....
ABS might be good for folks in the begining while they learn to ride, but then again with ABS they might not ever learn to use their brakes...
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