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Old 11-06-2011, 09:39 PM   #81
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he crashed on a PARADE lap...
What does that mean?


These short sentences and responses really are not doing anything for whatever dumbass point you are trying to make...
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What does that mean?


These short sentences and responses really are not doing anything for whatever dumbass point you are trying to make...
obviously!
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Seriously, to OP, i think it was one of the best decisions to take your new bike to the track! I wish more new riders (not you Ivan!) would do it.
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Seriously, to OP, i think it was one of the best decisions to take your new bike to the track! I wish more new riders (not you Ivan!) would do it.
Thanks man

And definitely not Ivan.. Although I'm not sure why.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:09 PM   #86
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Seriously, to OP, i think it was one of the best decisions to take your new bike to the track! I wish more new riders (not you Ivan!) would do it.
This i agree with,
but I think you would have better results, if you would have actually recieved instruction (paid).

but again... dont you get faster by crashing?
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i know i shouldn't post it but...
This was a noob ride (and announced as a noob ride, go figure on the rides board). All riders were briefed before the ride to ride within their limits. All riders were aware that the group will wait for them at the next intersection. It WAS a noob ride with slow pace. The only time we opened up it was on the straight before the track and it WAS announced that we gonna do this at the gas stop, and riders WERE told not to follow if they not comfortable.
Now about the crash... SS dropped the bike in most controlled and safe environment you can get - the track. All riders were instructed properly and signed the waver before parade laps. Accidents happen - bad luck, but what is the better place to practice riding instead of track?
so for internet cowboys who were not even there, in what part OP wasn't following his safety mindset??
Maybe...just maybe...going on a " to the wall" ride on his 3rd day with <400 miles? By the quotation it sounds like the OP was out of his comfort zone, so there is your answer...

To the ride organizers, seems like you guys did what you could for safety, but in the end it all comes down to the rider. To SS, Ive read youve been waiting to ride for a long time now, I hope this doesnt discourage you...
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This i agree with,
but I think you would have better results, if you would have actually recieved instruction (paid).

but again... dont you get faster by crashing?
I think you're in the wrong thread for that question...I think that's 'ivancuriel's' thread...


Op, was not trying to go to parade laps to "get faster" my take was that he was just trying to get morecomfortable with riding it.
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Maybe...just maybe...going on a " to the wall" ride on his 3rd day with <400 miles? By the quotation it sounds like the OP was out of his comfort zone, so there is your answer...

To the ride organizers, seems like you guys did what you could for safety, but in the end it all comes down to the rider. To SS, Ive read youve been waiting to ride for a long time now, I hope this doesnt discourage you...
Definitely haven't become discouraged at all.

And if I haven't made it clear yet, allow me to do so now: during " to the wall" riding, I was completely fine. It was the 20ish mph turn, on the track, that did me in.
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WOW

sounds to me like you need to take a step back and realize people die everyday from their decisions

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all within 3 days.

just cuz you have a lil 250 doesn't mean it can't kill you.
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Definitely haven't become discouraged at all.

And if I haven't made it clear yet, allow me to do so now: during " to the wall" riding, I was completely fine. It was the 20ish mph turn, on the track, that did me in.
People crash when they are comfy, it's easy to "go fast" in a straight,its that whole stopping an turning thing. And when something that goes wrong you hav the experience to keep yourself upright, that experience you don't have.


Hint:if you have probs making a 20 mph corner, should you really be going " to the wall"?
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Maybe...just maybe...going on a " to the wall" ride on his 3rd day with <400 miles? By the quotation it sounds like the OP was out of his comfort zone, so there is your answer...

To the ride organizers, seems like you guys did what you could for safety, but in the end it all comes down to the rider. To SS, Ive read youve been waiting to ride for a long time now, I hope this doesnt discourage you...
look, i don't want to comment on behalf of Smart Shark, but may be " to the wall" was slightly incorrect expression? i mean when you start riding every ride seens " to the wall" - i still remember many years ago i had this sensation just riding my bike from my driveway into my garage I guess you have to carefully push your limits in order to learn new things...
OP was comfortable with the pace at the end of the day
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look, i don't want to comment on behalf of Smart Shark, but may be " to the wall" was slightly incorrect expression? i mean when you start riding every ride seens " to the wall" - i still remember many years ago i had this sensation just riding my bike from my driveway into my garage I guess you have to carefully push your limits in order to learn new things...
OP was comfortable with the pace at the end of the day
^This. Racer X and others, I see your point, but I think Kem's right, I used the wrong expression. It was less, " to the wall", and more, "first time I'm not being VERY reserved with my riding".
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People crash when they are comfy, it's easy to "go fast" in a straight,its that whole stopping an turning thing. And when something that goes wrong you hav the experience to keep yourself upright, that experience you don't have.


Hint:if you have probs making a 20 mph corner, should you really be going " to the wall"?
its all true - i wouldn't argue. What i am saying is that there is no reason to say that OP was not riding responsibly based on todays events.
BTW i will always second that one should ride within his own limits, practice cornering and braking in the safe environment, etc. as much as possible to get this experience which may save your one day when things may go wrong
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When you say your riding to wall, while it may be nothing compared to the speeds we're used too, it shows your mindset. And ring to your limits at your skill level will get you hurt or killed.

Learn from your own mistakes and listen to and take what people are telling you.

I'm out.

And I'm serious about life and medical insurance, do you have either?
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look, i don't want to comment on behalf of Smart Shark, but may be " to the wall" was slightly incorrect expression? i mean when you start riding every ride seens " to the wall" - i still remember many years ago i had this sensation just riding my bike from my driveway into my garage I guess you have to carefully push your limits in order to learn new things...
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+1 Those were the most fun days for me It is truly a balancing act.

post #37: "I "crashed" doing less than 25 miles per hour, due to me admittedly trying to hard to conform to the way others around me were riding. I understand where my mistake was made." Lesson learned. <Insert Yoda quote here>.
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do you have either?
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I hate to say it but if you want to learn how to ride without having to go down a bunch, group rides on MH with a bunch of people you don't know isn't a good way. Lots of people like to ride fast and if you are a young buck full of dumb courage you will try to keep up and you will get hurt just like you did today. You need a few riding buddies that you know personally to ride with. This way you know how they ride and you don't go trying to impress people. Seriously dude, you've only been riding for a few days and you've already wrecked. You need to stop riding with strangers and avoid the peer pressure that comes with that because it can kill you. Most people aren't meeting up on this board to have a nice scenic cruise. Most ride sport bikes and simply like to ride fast. You don't need to be getting into that at this point.
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Trying to keep up with people is a sure fire way to get you killed.
Like somebody said, find a few guys to ride with and get comfy with your bike, might feel better in a month.
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