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Old 11-17-2006, 12:08 AM   #21
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Another thing to think about and it was mentioned to some degree already. Learn to tune into the bike by hearing and feeling what it is telling you about the track. Understanding there are reference points and lines to get around the track is great but, if you put your bike on that line and hit a few bumps near the apex (Cresson) you are not going to be a happy camper. Also for me personally I like listening to the bike... it creates a sort of rhythm when things start flowing right. As that rhythm gets consistant you start running consistant lap times and then you can start to make more adjustments in your routine to gain ground on the time.
Good point. I started to get a feel for the bike and what it was doing underneath me before I started to recognize the reference points for braking and cornering but once I started to put it all together the day at the track got a lot more enjoyable.
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Old 11-17-2006, 12:52 AM   #22
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great post radar!...

and romeo... i've seen PLENTY of fast guys like you out there with the same "just go!" philosophy - so meh pretty much +1 to what gabe said...
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Old 11-18-2006, 10:53 AM   #24
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hey doug i'm already feelin the need....it sux no more td's till next year....
i tried to go out riding the other day and couldn't help but feel bored....
Well, there is always the hill country, it'll at least rub the itch, not a full blown scratch.
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Old 11-20-2006, 04:55 PM   #25
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Lets see...

There's my brake point, my turn in, hello apex, how do I get out of here... okay where am I headed to now?
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Old 11-20-2006, 04:57 PM   #26
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Old 11-20-2006, 04:58 PM   #27
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Old 11-21-2006, 12:33 PM   #29
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all I know is when I watch the racers on TV or if you look at the photos their heads are always up and craned as far as possible to see the end of the corner.
thats how I have been driving my car for years, thats how they teach you to drive at any performance driving school that I've heard of, and thats how the books on track riding that I've read say to drive (and the books on street riding too).
If you are always looking ahead then you won't miss out on any of the stuff, in fact you will notice it sooner and have more time to prepare. If you are looking right in front of your bike and THEN look real far ahead then you might miss it, but if youre ALWAYS looking far ahead then you won't miss it. And the further you look ahead the more time you have to react and position yourself for whatever you see.
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:58 PM   #30
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all I know is when I watch the racers on TV or if you look at the photos their heads are always up and craned as far as possible to see the end of the corner.
thats how I have been driving my car for years, thats how they teach you to drive at any performance driving school that I've heard of, and thats how the books on track riding that I've read say to drive (and the books on street riding too).
If you are always looking ahead then you won't miss out on any of the stuff, in fact you will notice it sooner and have more time to prepare. If you are looking right in front of your bike and THEN look real far ahead then you might miss it, but if youre ALWAYS looking far ahead then you won't miss it. And the further you look ahead the more time you have to react and position yourself for whatever you see.
So where exactly do you look in a blind up hill left hander @ 120mph then? (gixxerbill may have some input on this one)
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So where exactly do you look in a blind up hill left hander @ 120mph then? (gixxerbill may have some input on this one)
They asked the same question in "Speed on Two Wheels" and in an interview with Roger Hayden he said you look for a reference point. He drove Road Atlanta in a truck and explained how he picks the reference points he will use later for the race.
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So where exactly do you look in a blind up hill left hander @ 120mph then? (gixxerbill may have some input on this one)
I was talking to a fast AMA racer that was from the CMRA. We were talking about a corner at Hallet they had a cone out to use as a ref. He used the alignment of a couple of trees then counted to three. So in the race about the third lap he purposely clipped the cone.
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My question was hypothetical. In T7 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) I use the bumps at the top of the hill as my reference point for the exit. Because, If I am trying to look through the turn as described I would be getting a big view of the sky.
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My question was hypothetical. In T7 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) I use the bumps at the top of the hill as my reference point for the exit. Because, If I am trying to look through the turn as described I would be getting a big view of the sky.
My biggest problem was turn 1. The turn was so long that I kept going into it way too slow only to end up too far on the inside with a terrible line setting me only up for ugliness in turn 2, where I finally spotted some port-a-potties for the cornerworker of turn 3. :laughing6

I didn't get a good reference point until the afternoon when I picked the light poles way in the distance of turn 1 that I looked at when I came down into the turn. It increased my speed in turn 1 by a full 20 mph. I was so proud. :laughing6
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My biggest problem was turn 1. The turn was so long that I kept going into it way too slow only to end up too far on the inside with a terrible line setting me only up for ugliness in turn 2, where I finally spotted some port-a-potties for the cornerworker of turn 3. :laughing6

I didn't get a good reference point until the afternoon when I picked the light poles way in the distance of turn 1 that I looked at when I came down into the turn. It increased my speed in turn 1 by a full 20 mph. I was so proud. :laughing6
T1 is a straight line coming off the wall. Head for the end of the Yellow line and when you get a visual on it look for the T2 apex. TWS (Texas World Speedway) is a bad track for off track reference points in my opinion.
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I look at a point just over the "vanishing point" on the track right before I come over the hill.
Based on where I'm at on the track as I come over the hill, I know where my turn in point is.
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