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Old 10-25-2011, 02:24 PM   #121
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one thing I have noticed though, is "some" track day only riders carry a certain arrogance about them, whereas those involved with the CMRA have a wonderful sense of camaraderie.
So I guess you're one of them trackday only riders then, huh?
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So I guess you're one of them trackday only riders then, huh?
as usual........ you know nothing.........
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as usual........ you know nothing.........

I know that you're arrogant. That's certainly something.
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I understand that we wreck, I am pointing out that it does not always make us better. The OP asked does it take crashing to get better, maybe if your a stunter, practice and learning make you better not crashing.
Everyone has their perspective. I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that my experience is different. I took umbrage with your choice of examples was my main reason for responding.

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That's like saying knocking up a woman or catching an STD makes you better at having . We all take chances, take precautions, and wear protection but it happens. And if your sleeping with a shitload of random women the odds of that increase, but it's the numerous times and random women that make you better in the sack, not because of the STD or pregnancies.

Note: I never caught an STD but I do have 5 kids
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I dont care to qualify myself or my statements, just offering my perspective, take it as you may
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As is your personal choice. Seemed helpful to others, but that's cool.

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one thing I have noticed though, is "some" track day only riders carry a certain arrogance about them, whereas those involved with the CMRA have a wonderful sense of camaraderie...
I guess it depends on the orgs you visit. The only ones I've ridden with are Fastline (formerly GU) and LSTD so they are all I can speak for in terms of personal experience. In both cases I found every rider I interacted with to be friendly, helpful, and real. Not much in the way of attitude and all about learning whatever they can to be better riders. I've also seen people come together to take care of a downed riders equipment when that rider wasn't able to do so himself. Strangers in every sense other than being at the same track together doing right by each other. In fact it's part of what solidified my transition from street to track riding. Perhaps that arrogance is projected?


Cept that Po-po guy. He's a jerk.

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[QUOTE=ArtistMarty;3059698]I dont care to qualify myself or my statements, just offering my perspective, take it as you may
those who know me, do, and those who do not, dont.
Im happy with that

ArtistMarty....while to some degree I understand what you are saying here... I also think that Kibitzers' request that you list your experience, or background is a good thing too...
knowing where someone is coming from helps other folks understand their opinion and why they hold it...
and folks at different experience levels may feel differently about certain things and both be right, because it affects them differently at their level... so understand why a newbie feels one way about a particular thing and an expert feels differently about it, makes since... makes neither wrong or right, but it explains why each one feels the way they feel...
like my perference for one trackday group over another... while others feel differently than I do...and if our roles were reversed, our opinions would be too...so if you are a novice you might want to go to the group I prefer and if you are an expert, you might like the other...
in this case, I feel you should capitulate and give your experience... otherwise it might deminish the value of what you say to some...and that would be a shame....the real losers here would be the folks who might gain something from what you say, but because of your defensiveness, write it off...
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That's like saying knocking up a woman or catching an STD makes you better at having . We all take chances, take precautions, and wear protection but it happens. And if your sleeping with a shitload of random women the odds of that increase, but it's the numerous times and random women that make you better in the sack, not because of the STD or pregnancies.
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ArtistMarty....while to some degree I understand what you are saying here... I also think that Kibitzers' request that you list your experience, or background is a good thing too...
knowing where someone is coming from helps other folks understand their opinion and why they hold it...
and folks at different experience levels may feel differently about certain things and both be right, because it affects them differently at their level... so understand why a newbie feels one way about a particular thing and an expert feels differently about it, makes since... makes neither wrong or right, but it explains why each one feels the way they feel...
like my perference for one trackday group over another... while others feel differently than I do...and if our roles were reversed, our opinions would be too...so if you are a novice you might want to go to the group I prefer and if you are an expert, you might like the other...
in this case,
I feel you should capitulate and give your experience... otherwise it might deminish the value of what you say to some...and that would be a shame....the real losers here would be the folks who might gain something from what you say, but because of your defensiveness, write it off...
I understand your concern,
but I have not really said anything more than "crashing will NOT make you faster" and that quality instruction is worth utilizing.
pretty simple..besides the basic understanding of tire and suspension.

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Man.. I need to get out to some of these schools with all these great instructors. Maybe I can learn to stop crashing so much. I'm obviously missing the boat here.
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Man.. I need to get out to some of these schools with all these great instructors. Maybe I can learn to stop crashing so much. I'm obviously missing the boat here.
you sir are "out of line" !
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Man.. I need to get out to some of these schools with all these great instructors. Maybe I can learn to stop crashing so much. I'm obviously missing the boat here.
I heard that staying off of a 250 is the first lesson in class.
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I heard that staying off of a 250 is the first lesson in class.
truth.


All BS aside.. I think that if you're looking for a sharper learning curve then crashing is probably more likely. In June of 2008 I did my first track day, first race in April of 09 and have tried to get to the front of the expert field quickly. I've crashed quite a bit on the way and every single one of them has taught me something. You dont have to crash to get faster, but I dont think you can get fast, as fast, without it likely happening a time or two or five.

It's all depends on what your goals are as a rider and how much time you have to get there or want to spend trying to get there.

Furthermore, people claiming to have gotten "fast" without crashing, really aren't fast. I know thats probably hard to believe but you gotta trust me on that one. lol

And a lil rant.. I get so sick of these subtle bullshit promotions from these motorcycle school employees, as if they are offering something significantly different than anything one of the other 4 orgs is offering. They only one is Ty, who has the track to himself, and does real drills like cones, threshold braking and trail braking. The rest of the schools it's about grid size, student to instructor ratios, track time and $$$ cuz frankly all the schools have people that have no business teaching someone how to get around the race track on a motorcycle. And they very well might be posting in this thread.

Fact.

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I understand that we wreck, I am pointing out that it does not always make us better. The OP asked does it take crashing to get better, maybe if your a stunter, practice and learning make you better not crashing.

That's like saying knocking up a woman or catching an STD makes you better at having . We all take chances, take precautions, and wear protection but it happens. And if your sleeping with a shitload of random women the odds of that increase, but it's the numerous times and random women that make you better in the sack, not because of the STD or pregnancies.

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Thanks bro, I think pretty much sums it up.

ArtistMarty, I know your right and half of the individuals reading this thread do too. But, you cant convince everyone, just like I cant convince everyone its ok to pee in the shower.
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The rest of the schools it's about grid size, student to instructor ratios, track time and $$$ cuz frankly all the schools have people that have no business teaching someone how to get around the race track on a motorcycle. And they very well might be posting in this thread.

Fact.
plain truth there...considered treason in some circles.. but truth none the less...
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All BS aside.. I think that if you're looking for a sharper learning curve then crashing is probably more likely. In June of 2008 I did my first track day, first race in April of 09 and have tried to get to the front of the expert field quickly. I've crashed quite a bit on the way and every single one of them has taught me something. You dont have to crash to get faster, but I dont think you can get fast, as fast, without it likely happening a time or two or five.

It's all depends on what your goals are as a rider and how much time you have to get there or want to spend trying to get there.
This makes a lot of sense to me.
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