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Old 10-21-2011, 07:35 PM   #1
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Does it take crashing to get faster?

In order to find the limits of the amount of traction, and how soon you can get on the throttle and how late you can break, do you have to crash?

I know this may sound like a really dumb question, but I don't see myself finding the "limit" until I have passed that limit and crashed. I have come to accept that the only way I will become faster is if I continue to break latest as possible and roll on the throttle sooner, which may result in crashes. I know you can get lucky and save it though.

I imagine you won't be as fast as the advance riders and expert racers if you've never crashed. Given a rider that knows the correct line and proper techniques. Any advanced riders out there that have never crashed? Or what is your take on this?

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IMO, if you push the bike's limits enough times you're bound to crash
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Some people learn the hard way. I'm one of them. I admit I've learned a lot about my limits and the limits of the bike in my wrecks. I'd still rather not have crashed to learn them though.
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IMO, if you push the bike's limits enough times you're bound to crash
Yeah its kind of evident that you will crash. The question im asking here is are there any really fast riders that haven't crashed. Or is there no such thing.
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Old 10-21-2011, 07:53 PM   #7
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crashing has slowed me down...probably, the pain and $$ involved....not fun.....If I could trade the next crash for lack of improvement..I would take it..
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interesting. I would assume that you can only find the REAL limits if you're being as smooth as possible because you can crash by chopping the throttle at the wrong time or braking too late at too much lean angle. IN for the expert opinion.
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I think AJ has crashed.. I think on his white r6. I know my limits because of crashes. I don't know anyone who is really fast and has not crashed. How can you know the limits if you don't push past them?
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Yeah its kind of evident that you will crash. The question im asking here is are there any really fast riders that haven't crashed. Or is there no such thing.
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paging Mr. Tony Ta. Mr. Tumbleweed please report to this thread.

back on topic, IMO you don't need to crash.
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I'm far from an expert, but try riding a dirt bike a little. You can much more safely get used to controlling a slide. That way your doesn't pucker up as much and make you do something stupid when on the tarmac and the rear end steps out.
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Im not fast. At all. But I did find the traction limit of my tires last time at GSS, which resulted in drifting out of a turn. I don't know how I managed not to highside, but it helped me realize how much was too much on my current setup, though that may only have applied to that specific part of the track and other variables.

My method thus far is baby steps, pushing just a little more each time.

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2 types of track riders/racers...ones who have not crashed yet and one who have already crashed.
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Seems like all the fast guys I know have went down on multiple occasions... Would like to hear of a "racer" that's never crashed.

To the op, glad u posted this. Been wondering the same for a little while now.
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paging Mr. Tony Ta. Mr. Tumbleweed please report to this thread.

back on topic, IMO you don't need to crash.
I don't mean to make it seems like crashing is the only way to go faster.

The reason I am asking is because I am looking to join the CMRA next year. I don't think I can be as competitive and as fast as the other guys that have crashed before and really know the limits of their setups.
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Lots of wrecks today at TWS (Texas World Speedway).. ask them the next couple track days?
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Absolutely. Steel brake lines, slipper clutches, race slicks, suspension upgrades... tools of the fools, I say.
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