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Old 10-19-2011, 01:07 PM   #1
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How much should you gain with a track bike??

So I've done 8 trackdays at gss but plan on going to other tracks soon. I'm still on a bone stock bike bike with a slip on and bt003rs tires and am consistently running @1:06-8ccw and @1:10-12 cw. Thats without a laptimer, all gopro footage fwiw. My question is how much time should one expect to gain from suspension upgrades,pc, and race tires...and pretty much any other feasible(not crazy $$$) trackbike upgrades? I'm not backing it in or breaking loose coming in and out of every corner or anything so I know I can push a good bit harder just really wondering when the experienced guys decided to upgrade different components and why. Thanks for your input

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Old 10-19-2011, 01:21 PM   #2
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Depends on the track. The more you ride the track the faster you will get. Even on a stock bike.


First upgrades suspension and breaks.
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Old 10-19-2011, 01:25 PM   #3
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Ive seen Alonzo take a stock gsxr with off the show room, tires and run 1:46's or faster at MSRH......

That being said, Id rather ben on a dedicated track-bike...at the track.
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No easy answers. Fast guys go fast on anything, but I note that their bikes usually have trick suspension, brakes, etc.

I upgraded my stock suspension when my suspension guy at the track ran out of clicks for the rear on the stock shock. Have your suspension checked out and see how much life you have left in it. You might be surprised how much of it you have used at the track.
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Plastics and brakes would probably be a start but it depends on where you feel that you need to improve on and if its the bike that needs to change or if its something you can improve with skill.

There's a few race bike and track bike build threads on the web if you skim through them you'll find what upgrades were done and usually a discussion on why. Riders Discount specifically has an awesome thread detailing their Triumph race build from ~'09 that I remember off the top of my head.
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I need to convert my SV650 to full track. Already have upgraded brakes and SS brake lines and the Penske 8900 series racing shock and emulators in the front forks.
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Plastics, better gearing, quick turn throttle, and good tires/warmers. As long as you have a modern SS bike and are up on maintenance, you'll be good to go.

Sometimes to run track plastics, you'll need an aftermarket exhaust, bike dependent.

I'm not hard on my brakes. I run ~ 2:00 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) with the stock brake setup on my 09 zx6.
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Part of being fast is being smooth. The guys that are already fast can ride less sorted hardware, and keep it beneath them because they're already smooth. Their comes a point that, while a better rider might be able to go faster on your exact bike, you personally need to upgrade to have the bike better absorb your "unsmoothness."

all that being said, a bike that's properly sprung for your weight, and valved for the springs should be a prerequisite for going any kind of fast on the track. Disaster can occur pretty quick if you're significantly over or under sprung/damped.
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Part of being fast is being smooth. The guys that are already fast can ride less sorted hardware, and keep it beneath them because they're already smooth. Their comes a point that, while a better rider might be able to go faster on your exact bike, you personally need to upgrade to have the bike better absorb your "unsmoothness."

all that being said, a bike that's properly sprung for your weight, and valved for the springs should be a prerequisite for going any kind of fast on the track. Disaster can occur pretty quick if you're significantly over or under sprung/damped.
Kinda how I feel. I thinks is probably best to learn and get faster on the current set up. If experts can still turn awesome laps on a stock bike, there is no reason I can't learn to be fast on a stock bike. It may be more difficult ...but that can only make me a better rider. I see a lot of people at the track putting around on bikes with some nice add-ons but can't figure why spend so much on upgrades if you haven't reached the potential of the stock bike.
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at least he rides after the parade lap.
So do I. How do you think I get home? At least I organize rides, help and introduce noobs to the track.
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Part of being fast is being smooth. The guys that are already fast can ride less sorted hardware, and keep it beneath them because they're already smooth. Their comes a point that, while a better rider might be able to go faster on your exact bike, you personally need to upgrade to have the bike better absorb your "unsmoothness."

all that being said, a bike that's properly sprung for your weight, and valved for the springs should be a prerequisite for going any kind of fast on the track. Disaster can occur pretty quick if you're significantly over or under sprung/damped.
Never thought of that, I always assumed until I'm matching what pros can do on my Bike my skills were the only thing I needed to focus on.
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Never thought of that, I always assumed until I'm matching what pros can do on my Bike my skills were the only thing I needed to focus on.
They are imo. If someone else can go faster than me on my bike, I need to work on me not my bike. No better way to get smooth than riding an unsmooth bike right?
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