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Old 10-19-2011, 10:06 AM   #21
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You're doing it all wrong and asking the wrong question. It's NOT how to keep the front tire on the ground, but instead how to get BOTH tires off the ground. If you want to shave seconds off of your lap time, you need to get airborne. It's a well known fact that the higher you go, the thinner the air is, thus the less drag on your bike = better lap time. Ask any pilot, they'll tell ya.
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I could usually muscle my 750 back down going through there. If it came up too high I would usually just blip the throttle back. On some occasions I would up shift early to 3rd. I was still trying to find my own way through there most of the time. Im not a "fast" guy tho. So take that for what its worth..
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Old 10-19-2011, 01:49 PM   #22
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Dean! You can start by getting your fat off the seat. Get your eight further forward.
You cant go full throttle so you dont need to tuck for areodynamics.
At the point my front end stops coming up I go full throttle.
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Old 10-19-2011, 01:52 PM   #23
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When the cars drive that track, I wonder what THEY call that hill?.... lol
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Old 10-19-2011, 02:34 PM   #24
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You do realize that when racing every thousand of a second counts, right?

If you don't believe me search for the season finale of British Superbikes Championship. You'll see that 0.006 seconds were the difference from the champion and second place this year.
That was the result of coming in too hot on the last turn and having to slow down too much and getting way off line. Had nothing to do with tucking behind a windscreen more or aerodynamics of a bike.

Also you do realize that short shifting...rear braking...rolling off the throttle a bit all decrease speed too....so how exactly is it saving time compared to a brief small wheelie that creates a little drag.

I do understand that if the front comes WAY up then you need to get it down and it COULD cost you time...but a 12 inch wheelie isnt that big a difference.

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Old 10-19-2011, 02:46 PM   #25
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That was the result of coming in too hot on the last turn and having to slow down too much and getting way off line. Had nothing to do with tucking behind a windscreen more or aerodynamics of a bike.

Also you do realize that short shifting...rear braking...rolling off the throttle a bit all decrease speed too....so how exactly is it saving time compared to a brief small wheelie that creates a little drag.

I do understand that if the front comes WAY up then you need to get it down and it COULD cost you time...but a 12 inch wheelie isnt that big a difference.
When did I talk about tucking behind the windscreen or aerodynamics of the bike? All I am saying is, when you are racing you win races by doing your laps in lesser time than your competition. So yes, every thousand of a second counts.

Now, going back to the topic, Dean asked the fast guys to post here to see what they do. At this point only two posts have relevance to his question: Brandt's and Allan's. The rest of us are just whoring or bumping the thread.

So if you have nothing useful to say about passing wheelie hill, please GTFO
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Old 10-19-2011, 02:53 PM   #26
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do you even remember how to ride?

so is the SV ready for the last round this weekend?
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Old 10-19-2011, 03:44 PM   #27
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You sonofabitch!!! It's better to forget than to never have known like you.

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Old 10-19-2011, 04:51 PM   #28
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Dean! You can start by getting your fat off the seat. Get your eight further forward.
You cant go full throttle so you dont need to tuck for areodynamics.
At the point my front end stops coming up I go full throttle.
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Old 10-19-2011, 05:23 PM   #29
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I tend to get my body forward, too. Sometimes, depending on a bike's gearing, it's a natural shift point and the problem is reduced with a slight roll-off as has been mentioned here by others.

Here's a few examples of what others are doing.

Mike Rochester (and he's not a small guy) -

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Bryan West (and he's a small guy) -

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Daniel Adams (on an SV650, by the way) -

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Alan Phillips -

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Brad Kelly -

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So, how many thousandth's of a second do you lose by wheelieing over the hill as compared to short-shifting, rolling off the throttle and/or dragging the brake?
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Old 10-19-2011, 08:48 PM   #31
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So, how many thousandth's of a second do you lose by wheelieing over the hill as compared to short-shifting, rolling off the throttle and/or dragging the brake?
thats what I'm wondering. I cant imagine short shifting would be better than just letting the wheel come up...but I'm not a racer either. I just let off slightly to keep it down.

This is how not to keep it down, courtesy of Brandt
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Where art thou Romeo? lol Where ya been homie? Long time no C
just working and trying to save. whats been up with you?
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Old 10-19-2011, 09:34 PM   #33
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You sonofabitch!!! It's better to forget than to never have known like you.
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Old 10-20-2011, 07:04 AM   #34
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just working and trying to save. whats been up with you?
just trying to get through this season so i can save some money lmao

are you going to be at TWS (Texas World Speedway)?
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When did I talk about tucking behind the windscreen or aerodynamics of the bike? All I am saying is, when you are racing you win races by doing your laps in lesser time than your competition. So yes, every thousand of a second counts.

Now, going back to the topic, Dean asked the fast guys to post here to see what they do. At this point only two posts have relevance to his question: Brandt's and Allan's. The rest of us are just whoring or bumping the thread.

So if you have nothing useful to say about passing wheelie hill, please GTFO
Are you reading the entire thread? The first part of my response in reply to your post...the second part of my response was a general response to the entire thread.

Does the question really need to be asked even? Think about physics...the laws of nature. You COMPLETELY missed the concept I proposed that was based off of observations.

If you (or anyone) thinks that the front tire coming up is going to lose the race for them because of fractions of a second and wind drag (as opposed to the time lost by dragging the rear brake or rolling off the throttle a little...both of which slow you down as much if not more than the tire coming up...and most of the time the tire still comes up)....your understanding of physics is poor.

The fast guys get the weight front...roll off...drag the brake to keep the front from coming up TOO long, TOO high, or TOO far...and its not a part of the track at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that people lose precious seconds and end up costing a race.

Wanna get faster at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...work on T1 and T2. Work on the gravity bowl off the back straight and the section after. Work on carrying more speed and the right line through T5 and T6. And make your climb up the camber of the front straight more gradual instead of charging straight up it.

And dont tell me to gtfo of a public forum where Im posting relevant information. Its rude.
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Are you reading the entire thread? The first part of my response in reply to your post...the second part of my response was a general response to the entire thread.

Does the question really need to be asked even? Think about physics...the laws of nature. You COMPLETELY missed the concept I proposed that was based off of observations.

If you (or anyone) thinks that the front tire coming up is going to lose the race for them because of fractions of a second and wind drag (as opposed to the time lost by dragging the rear brake or rolling off the throttle a little...both of which slow you down as much if not more than the tire coming up...and most of the time the tire still comes up)....your understanding of physics is poor.

The fast guys get the weight front...roll off...drag the brake to keep the front from coming up TOO long, TOO high, or TOO far...and its not a part of the track at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that people lose precious seconds and end up costing a race.

Wanna get faster at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...work on T1 and T2. Work on the gravity bowl off the back straight and the section after. Work on carrying more speed and the right line through T5 and T6. And make your climb up the camber of the front straight more gradual instead of charging straight up it.

And dont tell me to gtfo of a public forum where Im posting relevant information. Its rude.
sorry for any confusion I may have caused. but I meant also from the head shake, tank slapper, etc ( i can name numerous scenerios) that can result from the wheel being in the air and setting back down. I left it general...I also pass alot of people right here and it can be scary doing so on one wheel with everyone fighting for position for turn 4. I was wondering how the experts keep it on the ground, if they do. Rather I lose time from dragging brake, rolling off, short shifting, etc they all seem like better options that having my wheel in the air if I can help it when in a race> at a Trackday its fun to pose but im not posing on sunday
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Old 10-20-2011, 06:16 PM   #37
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I'm not a pro, but I can't imagine that having the front wheel off the ground for a moment would have much to do with acceleration... and at the speed of that part of the track, aerodynamics is not going to play a big role just because the bike is 5-10 degrees up.

Getting off the seat is probably not great in terms of stability, aerodynamics, or center of gravity - maybe that could slow you down or be dangerous - I imagine that the most stable thing to do would be to roll off a little just before the bump so your front end settles just as it hits the other side where it would stay put...
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just trying to get through this season so i can save some money lmao

are you going to be at TWS (Texas World Speedway)?
Nope. I'm done for this season.
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