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Old 10-13-2011, 01:36 PM   #1
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Question Developing Bad Habits....

I really need to get back to a trackday....

I noticed while we were riding lastnight, on my right hand turn (which is usually my easiest side) I wasn't really in a good body position and my knee really wasn't doing what it should. Instead of putting it out I was fighting it and tucking it in... It really made me think, the turn wasn't a complicated one and I really wasn't going at a high speed (maybe this is why). But I started thinking if maybe I'm starting to develop bad habits again with my riding position and corner entering.

I also started thinking about how long on my backroads rides I've been tucking my knees fighting to put it out a bit. I can think of a few times where I fought my knees and position a bit.

I haven't gone back to the track in quite a while (speeding tickets to pay from being pulled over in car) and now I have a new bike that I'm getting used to. So I know I need to get back out there (working on getting cornerworking)...

So I was wondering, for some of you guys that have done track before (but are just not as constant as other people), do you notice yourself start to loose a bit of what you learned?


Now that I'm aware of this I'm going to work on fixing it (I know the street wont provide a full opportunity to do so), I know the track will def get me back to getting it right.


For those that have ridden behind me on a ride, do you have opinions on my BP, how did it look? (I know you are focused on your turn, but I also know that you can see the guy in front of you too) Did you notice anything? I know I notice when someone is fighting their position and try to give them a bit of constructive feedback.

It was just weird noticing that I was starting to go back to getting into bad riding habits and wondered if I was alone...


That's all, discuss...
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:47 PM   #2
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I wouldn't worry too much about your "trackday" BP on the street. Tony (houseofpain) wrote a really good thread a few weeks ago about the expectations of BP...

http://www.motohouston.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=201460

For me, there's 2 styles of riding: "street" and "track". When I want to ride "street", I ride in street gear on the street. When I want to ride "track", I wear leathers on the street. This way, I keep current with both body styles and am not at a loss on the first few sessions of a trackday, or a have to ride street a few times to "remember" how to ride. This was more of an issue when I first started riding but not so much these days. If you want keep current with what you learned on the track and practice (safely) on the streets, go ride with that attitude in mind.

If you're taking a turn on the street, there's no need to put your knee out unless its a more comfortable thing, ie: balance (for some, it is - for me, it is). I wouldn't necessarily call that a bad habit. A bad habit is something thats unsuitable for both street and track riding, like bad foot position.
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:51 PM   #3
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Saw the title and was thinking about smoking and drinking.....

I found myself not being as agressive with BP on the street because we just don't have those hard core turns like the track.

I thought you looked fine yesterday. I don't think you'll develop a bad habit, just adapting for your conditions.
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Bad foot position....man, that one is hard for people to break..

That def isn't an issue.
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Bad foot position....man, that one is hard for people to break..

That def isn't an issue.
I had terrible foot position for 1/2 a year since I started track riding. I would let my foot rest on the peg at the heel and when turning, I'd leave my foot in the same place and my toesliders would drag when leaned. I used to blame this on my bike - lower foot pegs + rubber - but in reality, it was all me. I learned proper foot position at trackdays but practicing it on the street was terrible...my foot and legs would cramp and feel uncomfortable in proper position. Also, my feet would slide off the rubber pegs because I was weighting them too much.

BAD FOOT POSITION...see my boot dragging? TWS (Texas World Speedway)...1st trackday

Developing Bad Habits....

Since then, I now put my foot at the ball on the pegs and turn my foot in/up when leaning. It took 1/2 a year and about 3-4 trackdays to break that habit.

BETTER... TWS (Texas World Speedway), 5th trackday

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Yeah, ormand I hear ya on the cramping feet and legs with proper position..

When you're going through turns, you don't feel it....mannnnnn...but once you hit thatlong straight roadon the way back home...fml
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Yeah, ormand I hear ya on the cramping feet and legs with proper position..

When you're going through turns, you don't feel it....mannnnnn...but once you hit thatlong straight roadon the way back home...fml
I start cramping when I get OFF the bike...isn't that weird? Sometimes, the only solution is to take off the leathers completely and walk around or stretch.
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I was thinking Cocaine and Strippers.
That would be the next step for me
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Back when I was still riding the street I noticed that unless I was going at ludicrous speeds (for the sreet) proper track body position made the biketurn in way too much for turns. So yea, it really is a different ballgame.
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I have only done 3 track days, a total newbie there, but already I have noticed that at speeds you take street corners, if you are hanging off the bike with your knee out the bike will want to turn in too much...so it is much more of a straight up body position for me on the street...
and as far as foot position, I too was dragging my foot and took off one of my toe sliders, so it is now up on the ball of the foot with my heel turned into the bike and my toes out in the same direction as my knee, that is still higher up than when i had the peg in the middle of my foot or under my heel...
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I know sometimes its a bad idea to do some of the stuff from the track on the street.
TAKE IT TO THE......street??
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Ivan i disagree with most of the people here in one way or another. Everything you learn on the track translates to the street. As far as bp, depends on who you ask and they all teach different things. The really fast guys barely drag knee. So dont be overly concerned about your legs and sticking your knee out. You can def work on upper body. an exercise could To get your head off the side the bike standing it on the biggest part of the tire and bend your elbows. Again these are my opinions, but something else to keep in mind is to over-exaggerate it at first. Then when you get tired it will be right. And thats why you will hear people saying they were faster somehow but it felt slower. Or the go slow to go fast. Slow it down in your mind and it your eyes. If you that you slow the bike down too. Not physically but mentally. Now im not suggesting you go ride the streets the way you would the track but you can practice these things and get your form down at slower speeds then you can do it at higher speeds without thinking as much.
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I really need to get back to a trackday....

I noticed while we were riding lastnight, on my right hand turn (which is usually my easiest side) I wasn't really in a good body position and my knee really wasn't doing what it should. Instead of putting it out I was fighting it and tucking it in... It really made me think, the turn wasn't a complicated one and I really wasn't going at a high speed (maybe this is why). But I started thinking if maybe I'm starting to develop bad habits again with my riding position and corner entering.

I also started thinking about how long on my backroads rides I've been tucking my knees fighting to put it out a bit. I can think of a few times where I fought my knees and position a bit.

I haven't gone back to the track in quite a while (speeding tickets to pay from being pulled over in car) and now I have a new bike that I'm getting used to. So I know I need to get back out there (working on getting cornerworking)...

So I was wondering, for some of you guys that have done track before (but are just not as constant as other people), do you notice yourself start to loose a bit of what you learned?


Now that I'm aware of this I'm going to work on fixing it (I know the street wont provide a full opportunity to do so), I know the track will def get me back to getting it right.


For those that have ridden behind me on a ride, do you have opinions on my BP, how did it look? (I know you are focused on your turn, but I also know that you can see the guy in front of you too) Did you notice anything? I know I notice when someone is fighting their position and try to give them a bit of constructive feedback.

It was just weird noticing that I was starting to go back to getting into bad riding habits and wondered if I was alone...


That's all, discuss...


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Ivan i disagree with most of the people here in one way or another. Everything you learn on the track translates to the street. As far as bp, depends on who you ask and they all teach different things. The really fast guys barely drag knee. So dont be overly concerned about your legs and sticking your knee out. You can def work on upper body. an exercise could To get your head off the side the bike standing it on the biggest part of the tire and bend your elbows. Again these are my opinions, but something else to keep in mind is to over-exaggerate it at first. Then when you get tired it will be right. And thats why you will hear people saying they were faster somehow but it felt slower. Or the go slow to go fast. Slow it down in your mind and it your eyes. If you that you slow the bike down too. Not physically but mentally. Now im not suggesting you go ride the streets the way you would the track but you can practice these things and get your form down at slower speeds then you can do it at higher speeds without thinking as much.
Dude this really spoke to me.. Learning the fundamentals are very important.. Ive been learning that everyone does have one opinion or another. It's about how you are feeling the bike. From the different bikes I have noticed that it required a different body position for me.

Ivan you do keep your knee in a lot and I sometimes wonder if your putting the right amount of weight on you pegs.. You must have something right..

Just keep your focus being smooth and comfortable.. Yeah inknow coming from me smoothness is not a strong point but I'm working on it..

Also have you had your suspension set?
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You're still here, you must be doing it right enough. Now, if you're like me and you end up going erratic speeds and have blurred visors from where you keep trying to use your right hand to attempt picking your nose while riding... now that's a bad habit.
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